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IllTestYourGirls 09-14-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 16319109)
Bring the cost waaaaay down first and then maybe we can talk about forcing people to buy that shit.

Yup in no way should anyone be forced to buy health insurance.

baddog 09-14-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16318959)
I said it the way I did because I figured the come back would be the bill isn't finished and/or done. You pulled a different one on me. :thumbsup

Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct ?Interventions? in Private Homes

There is a knock at the front door. Peeking through the window, a mother sees a man and a woman, both in uniform. They are agents of health-care reform.

?Excuse me, ma?am,? says the man. ?Our records show that your eleven-year-old daughter has not been immunized for genital warts.?

?And your four-year-old still needs the chicken-pox vaccine,? says the woma

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=51115

An Onion parody.

nation-x 09-14-2009 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16318706)
Why just the middle class?

Because I don't see any problem with taxing the group of people who have gained the most from the actions of the previous administration. I didn't agree with the Bush tax cut when it was done... even John McCain spoke out against it. I still don't think it should have been done. Look at any income graphs from the Reagan era until now and you will see that the rich have been getting richer... the poor have been getting poorer and the middle class is disappearing. Almost noone has a truly career employment position and our manufacturing base has left in droves... all in an atmosphere with the lowest tax brackets for the rich in almost a century.

The people who whine about "smaller government" have no real idea of what that means. It means a country like Mexico that has lots of resources but no real middle class because the government doesn't really serve the people as a whole. The fake cry of "socialism" is ridiculous... we have been a socio-capitalist country since the New Deal. Social Security and Medicare are a good thing... but without a middle class they are doomed... because they are the primary contributors and recipients. I don't want to live in a country with no middle class... because it is a country that will be made up of "plantations" and "plantation workers". The middle class gives our country balance and is the foundation of it's successes.

baddog 09-14-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16319540)
Because I don't see any problem with taxing the group of people who have gained the most from the actions of the previous administration.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Seriously.

nation-x 09-14-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16319636)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Seriously.

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nation-x 09-14-2009 08:01 PM

http://blog.sustainablemiddleclass.c...e-growth-1.jpg

nation-x 09-14-2009 08:20 PM

For those who don't understand the implication of that graph... it is a paradigm in which the rich are gaining wealth at almost twice the rate of those in the lower income bracket. The fact that our economy is in such a shambles proves that Supply Side (trickle down) economics does not work to build jobs or increase economic opportunity for the working class... all it does is siphon the wealth into the pockets of the rich. That is pure capitalism... right? It is the flaw of capitalism... because as the rich gain more wealth their consumer base is eroded. Eventually they won't have any more consumers... why do you think they are trying to globalize the economy? To gain more consumers.... because they are already seeing the economic strain in the domestic economy.

GAMEFINEST 09-14-2009 08:37 PM

its fucking ridiculous ..

dav3 09-14-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16318564)
I have a problem with paying insurance for people that are not my dependents or employees.

:error

You've been doing it for decades already. But now, you have a problem with it. Why is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Health_Service
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...nefits_Program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicar...ited_States%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Health_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRICARE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_C...urance_Program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran...Administration

baddog 09-14-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 16319753)
:error

You've been doing it for decades already. But now, you have a problem with it. Why is that?

I feel that I pay enough to take care of slackers, and I don't feel like paying more than I already am.

Better?

dav3 09-14-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16319765)
I feel that I pay enough to take care of slackers, and I don't feel like paying more than I already am.

Better?

So you are saying that all Federal employees and Military personnel are slackers?

Interesting.

PurrrsianPussyKat 09-14-2009 08:59 PM

So a guy who opens his own business and is busting his ass every month, but can't afford $2k a month to cover him and his wife, or maybe he has high blood pressure.. owning a business can do that to a person lol.. he's a slacker?

Because that's who this plan is aimed at. People in the middle who work, but can't pay the outrageous premiums every month. A pair of nice jeans, or an ipod don't begin to touch what insurance costs. *shrug*

baddog 09-14-2009 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 16319784)
So you are saying that all Federal employees and Military personnel are slackers?

Interesting.

How do you come up with that? They have jobs. They work for the government. Of course they are going to have government insurance.

baddog 09-14-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat (Post 16319788)
So a guy who opens his own business and is busting his ass every month, but can't afford $2k a month to cover him and his wife, or maybe he has high blood pressure.. owning a business can do that to a person lol.. he's a slacker?

Because that's who this plan is aimed at. People in the middle who work, but can't pay the outrageous premiums every month. A pair of nice jeans, or an ipod don't begin to touch what insurance costs. *shrug*

I am lost as to why I should be responsible for his coverage.

PurrrsianPussyKat 09-14-2009 09:10 PM

Well, you gave a couple trillion dollars to rich bankers. Why not help him out too? *wink*

onwebcam 09-14-2009 09:18 PM

Rich bankers and insurance companies are getting ananother windfall of cash from this. Don't kids yourself. They could give a shit less about your health they are just trying to keep their ponzi schemes afloat.

PurrrsianPussyKat 09-14-2009 09:21 PM

Hey, as long as people can go to the dr instead of the emergency room for a belly ache that turns out to be gas.. Those people drive up my insurance premiums now.

onwebcam 09-14-2009 09:21 PM

Pelosi’s ‘Immoral’ Insurers May Gain in Obama Plan

By Alex Nussbaum

Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. health-care overhaul proposed in Congress will do more than impose greater controls on private insurers. It will also swell their profits.

New legislation may generate 10 million more customers for Amerigroup Corp.,UnitedHealth Group Inc. and other companies that administer Medicaid, the government plan that covers the poorest Americans, according to James Carlson, Amerigroup’s chief executive officer. Molina Healthcare Inc.’s Medicaid enrollment may jump by 43 percent, CEO J. Mario Molina said. WellPoint Inc., the largest U.S. insurer, may also gain.
While President Barack Obama has pitched his revamping of health care as a bid to “keep insurance companies honest,” expanding Medicaid is likely to offset any losses from new regulations and taxes, at least for insurers who specialize in the program, Carlson said.

“Most of what we’re reading would grow our business dramatically,” he said in an interview. “I don’t think you can say that about a lot of other participants in the health-care system.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aZXtHyBTMNkI

dav3 09-14-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16319792)
How do you come up with that? They have jobs. They work for the government. Of course they are going to have government insurance.

Because their socialized health coverages were included in the list that I posted, and that you replied to with:

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog
I feel that I pay enough to take care of slackers, and I don't feel like paying more than I already am.

Better?

And besides... They have jobs. Why do you need to pay for their insurance? Don't you have a problem with paying for other's health insurance that isn't an employee or dependent?


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