Bingo, I don't like this at all for this reason, people hit the back button all the time... all this is doing is training surfers to wait for the discount BS chat.

Even though I thought this was true, I have paysite owners lining up to tell me their overall sales go up 10 to 20%, so who knows, guess I'll have to try it.

Bump, for a Brand New Day.

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Again, sales are being GENERATED for you... FOR YOU... So even if a couple slip back through that MIGHT have joined at the full price, the overall GAIN was worth it. Even if a few come back with the cookie you also get credit on, It Was Worth It!

Being so, that tells anyone using Logic that "The Offer Is Selling" the people BETTER than without.

But wait... "Not Everyone" is taking the offer.... so clearly, not everyone clicks it, cares or sees it.

Wow..

And... Nobody is stealing form you, nobody is tricking you, nobody is trying to fuck you, People Are Trying To Make You More Money and More Sales.

It's Really Really Really simple, you people are bitching about programs trying to make you more, it's pathetic.

The Intellichat NATS integration is not "hijacking" your cookies. If and only if someone clicks a link in the IC window does their cookie become modified. Your affiliate code is never removed or changed. The program/payout/join option type part of the NATS code is changed to the IC program and special offer. Your affiliate id is not changed. This is why you still get credit for the sales when they come back.

The sufer will also still have the special offer presented to them when they come back via a type-in/bookmark. This is also why you are getting credit for the special offer trials if these people come back (again, the affiliate id is never modified). There's also a good chance that's the reason they came back and this means extra money for you.

This is only if the surfer types the URL back in or has it bookmarked. If they come again via one of your link codes, they aren't under the IC special offer for the price point or program.

We are working with IC to modify the way this works to only last the session. This will mean that the surfer will only be eligible for the offer and be credited as an IC sale for the current browser session. This will avoid any cookies being modified at all. This will also mean the surfer will not get the IC offer when they come back unless they click the IC offer link again when they revisit the site.

Also, with our integration if you don't want IC offered for you, it can be turned off, as apparently has been done for you.

Thanks for the knowledge and logic John, I hope it doesn't fall on ready to attack ears.

This is exactly what I have been saying. That when the surfer is given this discounted offer via a click action, the affiliate's original cookie is "modified" by this IC offer. My problem remains in the fact that this offer is extended beyond the "offer chat/site visit" and leaves the site with the surfer. In its current form, it is not a time-sensitive offer as it should be.

Otherwise, what's the point of setting up price points in the NATS admin to begin with if they're just going to be ignored in lieu of discounts all the time. If that's the case, might as well make the site dirt cheap and and be done with it.

Once this extended discount issue is resolved, then it's a technology I would welcome as a tool to assist in conversions.

John's post was informative, as yours *can* be,. But you tend to take a contentious approach and don't always seem to try to understand what people are trying to convey. Perhaps the clarification is partly my fault. Hopefully you, like myself, can see merit on both sides of the fence here.

This should be resolved fairly quickly (a week or two) as I don't believe it will be a large change. We're trying to determine how easily we can make it configurable by the program owner. So they can choose the offer to be sticky to the surfer for the life of the cookie or simply only for the current browser session.

Thanks for the info, John, sounds like the resolution you're working on will address robwod's concern. I'll wait to hear from Intellichat on the "back button from join page" default (on or off).

TheDoc, if you would read my posts, I never said using a chatbot doesn't increase sales. I don't recall robwod ever saying that, either. You're fixating on something that is a non-issue here and, frankly, your tone can really discourage a person from ever wanting to check out what you're sigspot-ting.

This seems to be going round in circles, on the #44th and #64th post i put the above comments. We would appreciate that if you are going to comment on this topic to read the entire thread as people seem to be skimming passed my previous answers.

Intellichat settings are disabled by default before a client is set-up. When a new account and campaign is created all companies are asked prior to activation what settings they require. We fully explain what they are and what they do.

If a website is using the back button feature it is because it was requested. For the third and last time on this thread there is NO issue with the back button. It can be turned ON or OFF at anytime.

I was being informative on the front page... when the answers were posted. By time this hit the 3rd page, it was like re-reading myself and others tell you guys the exact same answer 5 different ways.

I tend to get a tad agitated by that point..

your missing the point.

nobody cares that you think because sponsors can adjust the settings in your system so that affiliates end up getting paid less, its not intellichats fault.

you can scream it all you want, pout, threaten to not respond again, whatever


mpa3 had a shaving setting years ago that allowed sponsors to shave their affiliates sales, it was up to the client to adjust it, or leave it alone

that didnt stop all hello from breaking loose when that info was made public

THANK YOU for finally answering the question. This is the first time you came out and said that all options are turned OFF. So now I just have to figure out why anyone would think giving a discount to someone who backs off the join page back to the site tour is a good idea. But that's not for Intellichat to explain, you answered your part of the question.


Well, you kept answering a question that hadn't been asked, so...

He did answer the question:

http://www.gfy.com/16325635-post44.html

"I would like to stress that we have a fix for the back button issue that has been mention a number of times in this thread. We can have it active or disabled it's down to the site owner. (There are very few companies which have the back button feature enabled.)"


More sales, as posted above.. It "increases" sales, produces more, makes more, gets the owner and webmaster more sales, more money, more income, it helps you convert better, stay longer, and want to push them.

Adding a exit off your join page, IS A GOOD THING.

Other than for those very few people... that just don't seem to get it.


That happens when people have to have things explained to them 10 different ways because they don't understand how the Internet works.

I was asking how the setting is from initial startup. You must've missed that detail.


Adding an exit off your join page that pops when people truly leave your site is a good thing.

Adding an exit off your join page that pops when people AREN'T truly leaving your site is not necessarily a good thing.

You are either mistakenly or deliberately missing that distinction.


I am quickly coming to the conclusion that the only reason you're posting here is for sig exposure, so this is my last reply to you in this thread. I won't ignore you because I don't believe in ignoring people.

Exactly, the flat price should be based on the amount of time it takes you to do a customizations. Based upon the flat rate, you'd charge a bigger site more money vs a smaller site who earns less money, yet the work is the same.

It's a fixed amount of work, it should be the same across the board. Last time I checked designers and programmers charge flat rates based on work involved, they don't require their clients to give them a % or charge them a price based on how big the company is. One smart programmer will listen to me, offer the same product for a flat rate that makes sense for them to set up companies vs being greedy about it, and they will wipe all the others off the map, or at least take the bigger clients away and convince new ones to sign up who wouldn't consider it before, people like me. Maybe i'll develop it if i have the time...

Well, only difference is I have tested exits, my various exits, with well over 100,000 sales across 100's of paysites, lots of gfy folks use them. I guess I just know what I'm talking about.


If you could get the offer in front of 100% of the people that back out of the join form, (for whatever reason) you would get more sales.


And with my signature... damn straight I'm marketing it. However, my first several posts did not have the product in my sig. I didn't start off posting to market it. But, I didn't start marketing my signature once other spam was introduced into the post.

i wish it worked that way too, the equal flat rate. but.... there is much more ongoing service involved (man power) the larger the site is. chat log audits are bigger, more sites to update offers for etc. i'm not saying that the rate is hugely different, just that the more labor intensive it is, the more that will be charged to gain the same net. a guy with one site won't take the hours/manpower to review audits/offers and update as a company such as TopBucks for example. up front programming is of course the same sans the custom scripting for each site.

intellichat is the best hands down... its a MUST have for any serious program!!!

you sure about that? i bet youve never seen virtualadultagent.com, charlie from karups is behind it, its a much tighter system imo

He's sig-whoring a referral link for IC, so you have to take it for what it's worth -- an apparent financially motivated post.

Personally, after having the negative experience I described at the beginning of this thread, I have since had a far more positive experience with a competitor's (more mature) exit chat program in use by a different sponsor. Hopefully if people insist on adding IC to their programs, they'll adopt some of the finer points offered by their competitor's product(s). John's statement earlier that they are working with IC to limit the "jacking/modifying" of affiliate cookies to the surfer's current visit, and not beyond, is a good start.