50 whiners

Yep exactly. I have the same problem with GFYers. So quick to bitch they can't make money so approach them with some tips or ideas and they go "lol j/k I own a small tgp I haven't updated since 2004 lol"

Or they are just idiots. No loss here dude.

how many are going to pull the brazzers/juggcash links and gals? zero.

The Reality is tubes changed this business forever. Did they make it easier? HELLLLL NO! Do I wish they went away? Sure. Do I wish tgps and free porn never came out? SURE. But it's here. It's not going anywhere.

As many of you know we run a number of tube sites. The tube business model is very sustainable. I don't agree with the way many other tube sites are run. However here we are two years later. They are still running and still seem to be doing well. Most of the sponsors here are working with the bigger tube sites in one way or another. I don't see why Eric should be attacked for this. If it's ok for gfy sponsors to work with the tube sites why can't gfy? If everybody had refused to work with them then that would be one thing. But that's not the case.



Disclaimer: I should mention I'm going to be with Eric all of the next week and this thread is straight up bros4bros 2009 :winkwink: (It's a joke it's ok to laugh)

:2 cents:

True dat.

Sig.

so shap, can i use your content to deliver new members to my site then? i know your going to say "no" but its 2009 and they have been doing it for 2 years, so why cant we just have a free for all with everyones content?

Why pay for a site when I can take your stuff and bill what I want for it?

I have always thought of you as someone who protects his brand / market but I now see that it is everyone for themselves.

make your today $, forget about tomorrows $ right?

<<<< business woman

To be honest I don't think short term. I look at the long term picture. I'm always thinking about tomorrow's $$$. That is why we've invested (and are investing) heavily in both our paysite division and our free site division.

We are doing what we can to protect our content. DMCA is what keeps these guys going. I'm sure they'd say they didn't make the rules they are just playing by them. :Oh crap

ok, so based on that logic that you just said why do you fund (directly and indirectly) to pay their bills? I know if you stop someone else will and thats that the shitty part but when all the laws change (if they do) you will be able to have a steady flow of real traffic sources not the illegal ones..

Joins are still out there without tubes (points at his statsremote just to check lol) just who you choose to sleep with now means a whole lot more..

I've usually been the guy that sits on the sidelines taking a moral stance and watches others get rich. Cross sales, banging cards, spam, etc etc. I took advice from a Mr Brad Shaw and got off my Moral High Horse and decided to do what's best for my company and making money. In the case of tube sites we decided a long time ago we felt it was better to control the use of our content and work with them than not control it and fight them.

Btw these traffic sources aren't illegal. As long as they delete the videos once they get a dmca notice and as long as they are uploaded by surfers they are legal. The big problem is the biggest company online is doing exactly the same thing. Google. DMCA law is what it is and adult tube sites won't cause that law to get changed imo.

Funny you use Brad as the one that made you decide to take the low road...I guess you missed his thread over on JBM a cpl days ago where he declared he has refused to take the $ from these guys for skinning JBM..several times.

LOL

I saw his thread and laughed. I'm surprised that that is where he draw's the line. A lot of people want to point a finger at why business is where it is today. Tubes are the easiest target. They aren't the only cause.

:thumbsup

from what i recall, weren't there even people who went drastically out of their way oh, say 2.5 years ago and spent lots of money out of their own pockets to get as many of the the biggest people that they could together in a room to unite and organize something to thwart all the the stolen content efforts from the very beginning, only to find that you can't unite a bunch of renegades and self proclaimed corporate conjecturists? i think they stopped wasting their time on people who the efforts weren't best invested in. those people have stopped caring about people who don't have it in them to do something. not sure if anyone else remembers. that's how i remember it anyhow.

good luck to one and all.

:2 cents:

The reason people didn't go crazy over the Brazzers skin is because they didn't come out and say they represented PornHub, Tube8 and Keez.

Traffic Junky did and then turned their head to it and just say that people should cash in anyways to get their traffic. Kinda like selling your soul.

Absolutely. This industry is about immediate ROI.

everyone knows brazzers = pornhub = traffic junky. if you didn't you've had your head up your ass.

Everyone and their grandmother on this fucking board (and others) wishes they had started the Keez, PornHub, Tube8, what-the-fuck-ever but they didn't. THEY DIDN'T. They missed the boat, plain and fucking simple.

Jealouse breeds envy. Envy breeds hate.

Step up your game or get the fuck out. Like Shap stated, the future is now.

There are no ands, ifs or buts about it.

If you don't like it? Continue what you are doing and cross your fingers your kids will eat. Then again, there is always an Arby's or Wendy's i'm sure looking for some extra help.

So not openly admitting what everybody knows means it's ok to skin the board. Once you admit the obvious it's not? This industry's rules are so funny.

Rule 1. Never steal from another company. Stealing from the clients is 100% cool. If you get caught blame an affiliate if that excuse is too old then blame a rogue employee until a better excuse comes out.

Rule 2. If you steal from another company deny that you own the site that is doing the stealing. People will believe you. Continue to deny. Ignoring threads and repeated denial works. NEVER admit you own it and you'll be fine.

how many people are going to stop using google because they own some of the biggest threats to ip like youtube, not to mention google books and such. no one.

just the usual selective morality mob uprisings that people use to fill their days around here.

I love dukedollars!! Hit me up we have plenty of traffic... if you don't want to buy it, I might even just throw in banners with an affiliate code, just cause I know it will convert

Same for you Shap, you know how well the tubes convert...stop hiding that secret

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I'm not questioning who owns PornHube, Tube8, Keez, I'm just saying they didn't broadcast it. Hence the less backlash.

And he steps up to the plate! Business is evolving, I LOVE IT!

In this industry nothing is reality unless you admit it. DENY DENY DENY. you can do whatever you like as long as you do that.

My problem is I can't lie. If I'm asked a question I answer it honestly.

  :321gfy

I'm already downloading the last 6 months of Twistys updates for my new tube.

Rapidshare that shit :1orglaugh

Are you still threatening to sue people with _____tube.com domains?

OK, I'll bite.

Do you honestly believe that all the content on the "legit" tube sites is uploaded by end-users, and none of it is uploaded by employees, agents or assigns of the entities that run the tube sites?

Me neither.

- Q.

Nope. But I honestly believe they are managing it in a way that nobody could prove otherwise :Oh crap

Yes, having a user named "Anonymous" that uploaded 20,000 videos without watching a single one is some really ingenious management.

Pretty funny . Just a few years ago you were the one posting all this crazyness and worrying about everyone elses biz hehe.

No disrespect

Isn't this thread technically whining about whiners?

LOL Damn I think it is.

Are you still threatening to sue people with _____tube.com domains?

Shap hit me up, I would love to get together in Amsterdam and talk shop.

Well, through the magic of a legal process called "digital discovery" some of these tubes may one day get to find out how infallible their surreptitious upload processes really are.

It's a brave new world out there in field of pretrial discovery. You might be surprised at the digital breadcrumbs people leave behind, and how many ways there are to find those breadcrumbs, if you deliver the right subpoena to the right people.

Neither can I and I haven't lied in any of my statements. I simply offered my opinion as to why Brazzers didn't get slammed as much as Traffic Junky. Period.

I agree. Would be great if it happened.

A thief is a thief. Period.

Anyone who tries to justify business dealings with a known thief is pitiful.

Fuck you playboy. Fuck you gfy management. You are pitiful.

LOL ... no way.

You ever looked to see if PornHub or Interhub was a WM of yours and look at their info? How about KeezMovies?

Interesting. He doesn't want to answer. Maybe his inability to lie prevents him from admitting that he is still actively trying to take _____tube.com domains.

The egos in this biz never seize to amaze me.

We don't discuss legal matters publicly anymore ;)

Ok i'm off to the airport. see you guys in Amsterdam

be careful shap puff the magic dragon lives in amsterdam

This thread reminds me of two other threads.

#1 - When Claire informed us that if you don't go to shows you are a nobody.

#2 When Tassy was repping some company, had a meltdown on a non-native English speaking affiliate, asking them exactly who they were, implying that they were nobody.

:2 cents:

Shap you should come too Houston man 8P ... I havent been to any shows since 2007 anyways I always seem to miss meeting the Shap

Shap, I thought you were an idiot when you said how companies that used cross sales fucked their customers and you would never do it, and I still think you an idiot now that you think its great to do business with sites that only exist because they profit off of stolen content.

From one extreme to another and you still an idiot. Maybe one day you will find the middle (common sense).