OK, I'll bite.

Do you honestly believe that all the content on the "legit" tube sites is uploaded by end-users, and none of it is uploaded by employees, agents or assigns of the entities that run the tube sites?

Me neither.

- Q.

Nope. But I honestly believe they are managing it in a way that nobody could prove otherwise :Oh crap

Yes, having a user named "Anonymous" that uploaded 20,000 videos without watching a single one is some really ingenious management.

Pretty funny . Just a few years ago you were the one posting all this crazyness and worrying about everyone elses biz hehe.

No disrespect

Isn't this thread technically whining about whiners?

LOL Damn I think it is.

Are you still threatening to sue people with _____tube.com domains?

Shap hit me up, I would love to get together in Amsterdam and talk shop.

Well, through the magic of a legal process called "digital discovery" some of these tubes may one day get to find out how infallible their surreptitious upload processes really are.

It's a brave new world out there in field of pretrial discovery. You might be surprised at the digital breadcrumbs people leave behind, and how many ways there are to find those breadcrumbs, if you deliver the right subpoena to the right people.

Neither can I and I haven't lied in any of my statements. I simply offered my opinion as to why Brazzers didn't get slammed as much as Traffic Junky. Period.

I agree. Would be great if it happened.

A thief is a thief. Period.

Anyone who tries to justify business dealings with a known thief is pitiful.

Fuck you playboy. Fuck you gfy management. You are pitiful.

LOL ... no way.

You ever looked to see if PornHub or Interhub was a WM of yours and look at their info? How about KeezMovies?

Interesting. He doesn't want to answer. Maybe his inability to lie prevents him from admitting that he is still actively trying to take _____tube.com domains.

The egos in this biz never seize to amaze me.

We don't discuss legal matters publicly anymore ;)

Ok i'm off to the airport. see you guys in Amsterdam

be careful shap puff the magic dragon lives in amsterdam

This thread reminds me of two other threads.

#1 - When Claire informed us that if you don't go to shows you are a nobody.

#2 When Tassy was repping some company, had a meltdown on a non-native English speaking affiliate, asking them exactly who they were, implying that they were nobody.

:2 cents:

Shap you should come too Houston man 8P ... I havent been to any shows since 2007 anyways I always seem to miss meeting the Shap

Shap, I thought you were an idiot when you said how companies that used cross sales fucked their customers and you would never do it, and I still think you an idiot now that you think its great to do business with sites that only exist because they profit off of stolen content.

From one extreme to another and you still an idiot. Maybe one day you will find the middle (common sense).

100 businessmen.

hopefully some real pissing will come on this page

Not a chance Hollywood.

As I wrote in the other thread. I'll paste it here as well.

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Shap, I respect you as well (At Times) but what I don't understand is for someone like you, your reputation, the quality of Sites you own. You have one of the best if not the best photographers and have used him for years (Dean Capture) he is not cheap but worth every penny. Your sites are amazing. But why do you spend so much time and money to make them look like they do if you know they aren't converting like they used to? I own Played out AVS sites which people think have died a decade ago. They still makes amazing sales and I still put quality photos and Videos weekly for new members and for existing members that we have had for over 8 - 10 years. I'm proud of the quality that we put in our sites but to see a free script go up and take away majority of the sales we all worked so hard for yes, It pisses me off. (Especially when it's with our content)

I understand that you are saying, fuck it, it's happened, nobody did anything about it lets move on. Some of us don't stand that ground. We just had the biggest fire in Southern California History that just started down the street from my house. Did I say fuck it, lets pour fuel in the fire and let it burn. No, people stepped in and did their best to put it out and help each other.

Yes, I think it's a little too late because the Tube sites did pour in and I don't think one Company could have stopped them. But just because it's happening we shouldn't be quiet about it.

I like our business, I"m proud of it and I will help it stay strong and lucrative as long as I can. I care for the Affiliates, because they made us who we are and we have never missed sending a check since 96' I care about the customers that is why we have had our own in-house processing and in-house customer service since day one. This is our life. We don't want it to go away because of Scum bugs that want to fuck everyone over for some Advertising money.

But every fucking time I ask someone now where they go for porn, they always mention one of the big FREE TUBE sites and that PISSES ME OFF!!!

Do I think GFY should have turned down this Skin....YES. I don't advertise here now but I used to for a long time and as of a few weeks ago, I did talk to Eric and I was going to again.

Just sad that it's come to this. Very Sad!

very interesting read !

Shap,

I won't be in Amsterdam but I'd love to meet you in Toronto some time.

We are very excited about the business we are doing with you.

I'd welcome the opportunity to discuss what more we can do for you.

TwistysTube.com...coming to you from an offshore server soon ;)

i am sorry can you name 1 tube site that has been stupid enough to upload 20,000 videos under a single account. Especially with batch scripts you could create 200 accounts
in less then 20 minutes.

or who doesn't simply scrape another tube site accounts and all to make a perfect list for themselves.