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Donny 04-09-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18875701)
100% of Christians won't roll over, they try their hardest to fight the information in the video, but it's a powerful video.

I'm not saying there is no God, I wouldn't know that, but organized religion is clearly about control

I'm not even referring to that. I am talking about simple accuracy. Even the Wikipedia article about the film talks about the outright inaccuracies. They totally get ancient myths wrong, etc.

XSAXS 04-09-2012 06:12 PM

The #1 reason I believe that Jesus is who He said He is:

In the Gospel of John we read that the apostle Thomas would not believe that Jesus was resurrected from the dead. He said that he would not believe unless he could see the wounds in Jesus hands and put his fingers into the wound in His side. According to John, one week later it happened. The resurrected Jesus appeared to all the disciples, and Thomas was able to touch the healed wounds for himself, and he exclaimed "My Lord and my God!" (Jn. 20:24)

Ok... just another wild Bible story, right?

Yes, BUTTTT.......

According to verifiable sources OUTSIDE the Bible -- Over the next 30-50 years, Thomas traveled longer and further than any other disciple spreading the message of a Risen Savior. And he was eventually martyred in India (speared several times and thrown alive into an oven).

These accomplishments are well documented outside the Bible by Christian and non-Christian sources.

So why would a man who (at first) did NOT believe in a Risen Christ throw away his normal, comfortable life and willingly submit himself to persecution, punishment, torture, and death if he knew that Jesus was a fake or that His claims were fraudulent?

As $5 Submissions said... this is just my own view. Not suggesting anyone else has to agree with it. I've tried to disprove the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus many times, but there are way too many extra-Biblical sources that endorse its veracity.

BlackCrayon 04-09-2012 06:25 PM

is being a fake ass god pusher not working out for ya, donny?

Radical Bucks 04-09-2012 06:31 PM

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.

Donny 04-09-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18875777)
is being a fake ass god pusher not working out for ya, donny?

It's been going on 6 years. That would be a long time to pretend to believe something I don't believe, don't you think?

wehateporn 04-09-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18875724)
I'm not even referring to that. I am talking about simple accuracy. Even the Wikipedia article about the film talks about the outright inaccuracies. They totally get ancient myths wrong, etc.

Once a person with a basic Christian understanding is pointed in the right direction i.e. Jesus is the Sun, there's enough information available for them to see what's been done.

I went to Catholic school, I spent a lot of time studying the bible, so all I needed was to be told that Jesus is the Sun, then I could easily apply the test with my biblical knowledge.

Jesus (the Sun) turns water into wine, that's the rain that falls on grapes to make them grow. Jesus/Sun feeds the 5000, by making food grow. Easter is when light has defeated dark (more light than dark) the Sun/Jesus has been resurrected. Jesus/The Sun walking on water, that's the Sun setting over the sea or a lake. "I am the light of the world that every eye will see." The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo, just as Jesus. etc etc etc I could go on all day with examples.

Jesus is a Sun God, unless this is all a coincidence of lottery winning probability

Donny 04-09-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18875786)
Once a person with a basic Christian understanding is pointed in the right direction i.e. Jesus is the Sun, there's enough information available for them to see what's been done.

I went to Catholic school, I spent a lot of time studying the bible, so all I needed was to be told that Jesus is the Sun, then I could easily apply the test with my biblical knowledge.

Jesus (the Sun) turns water into wine, that's the rain that falls on grapes to make them grow. Jesus/Sun feeds the 5000, by making food grow. Easter is when light has defeated dark (more light than day) the Sun/Jesus has been resurrected. Jesus/The Sun walking on water, that's the Sun setting over the sea or a lake. "I am the light of the world that every eye will see." The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo, just as Jesus. etc etc etc It could go on all day with examples.

Jesus is a Sun God, unless this is all a coincidence of lottery winning probability

Or, parables that people are easily able to understand are used. Just about every lesson Jesus taught came in the form of parables. The prodigal son, good seed vs bad seed, etc etc. Also, when Paul came along to convert "Gentiles" he didn't even attempt to make them stop following their traditions... he simple told them he had new reasons for them to celebrate. Easter is a perfect example. It was pagan, Paul didn't want to take it away, so he told them the meaning should change. I have no problem with that.

BlackCrayon 04-09-2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18875784)
It's been going on 6 years. That would be a long time to pretend to believe something I don't believe, don't you think?

must be some reason why you want to post here again. some people go their whole lives believing what they know deep down is a lie.

wehateporn 04-09-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18875791)
Easter is a perfect example. It was pagan, Paul didn't want to take it away, so he told them the meaning should change. I have no problem with that.

If they drew up a Christian spin on pagan Easter, to say that Jesus was resurrected instead of the Sun resurrected, and we accept that. It becomes difficult to believe much more, because it all always ties in so nicely with Jesus being the Sun.

tony286 04-09-2012 08:11 PM

Actually as Christians you should follow the teachings of Christ not the old testament. The new testament is the actual word of god and the old testament are fairy tales[ I was taught that by a priest) But its hard to judge others when your only commandment is love one another as I loved you. The Christians would have waaay too much free time if they only did that. lol

papill0n 04-09-2012 08:12 PM

i denounce your shit religion

candyflip 04-09-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 18875784)
It's been going on 6 years. That would be a long time to pretend to believe something I don't believe, don't you think?

You pretended not to believe in something that you now seem to believe in for about that long.


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