Fifty better days.

You've got there over one million uniques there... nice.

Looks like about .025/unique.

sorry forgot to add 2500 that i stole from David foster / Brazzers.. they wont get my joins now... come sue me frenchies :)

traffic is out there.. but i wont send to a site that screws the surfer or gives proceeds to other companies. I will be moving a few more links this week to point away from some sponsors who tolerate / fund them..

Excellent stats MVT. Now prepare for 100 questions about how you manage to pull it off.

sure.. no problem.. dont be a used car sales man and give ur surfers they want without fucking them sideways..

oh yeah this isnt mail either (different stats for that lol) and yes it is clean mail as well..

more computers are online everyday.. and that poor fucker who just wants to jerk off gets screwed right off the bat.. let them find sites that they trust and wont fuck them and you will make more $ than any tube in the long run..

look at the sites that still stand the test of time (free or pay) Shemp / Cyberage / etc... all honest sites.. u get what u see no strings and no getting fist fucked for it

word :)

MVT do you run sites? Or is it a form of direct marketing?

run 1 paysite / send traffic via seo landing pages and even tgp traffic still to it and others..

as well recommend sites via members area..

We have a few affiliates who presumably make a full-time living(or a good enough income) off of us alone, so I'm sure they do rather well.

Like someone else mentioned, there's still a LOT of affiliates with links/galleries up pointing to nothing. That's not good.

With the few affiliate-related sites I've got up, I make a part-time living.. but I also don't put a lot of time into it.

I definitely think the potential is there if you know what you're doing and you're innovative. Stuff that worked in 2003 won't work in 2009. Stuff that works now won't work in 2011 either.

Tight man, thanks for the info. :thumbsup:thumbsup

A serious question for ya though Jay ... when you were piling down the cash as an affiliate you didn't have OCCash. When you opened OCCash, did you find your time and resources going more to that than xxxj-jay-links.com and your other free sites?

I think that an affiliate making good money today has to be truly 100% focused solely on their sites and promotions, no other distractions. There are some mobile WMs who can pound down 25-30 joins/day .... that's no small affiliate.

kristin.. been playing with mobile stuff and for those who want a boost to your sales, mobile looks like a easier sell than you would think!

You are my freaking hero!! I only have to worry about my own site, and I am still trying to find out ways to get people to join my site.

Pushing cams/dating is excellent bank, sure, but in terms of mainstream porn paysites I think it's over. Over in the sense that you can do much better on non-adult offers than you can with the aforementioned.

Or perhaps there's scads of easy money there and I'm just too much of a dunce to see/find it.

I'm also with mostly non-tube traffic, and with same amount of hits, you have twice the better ratios than me. Guess I have to start working on optimizing the traffic better, but I do not upsell from some member site, which makes a major difference regarding traffic quality? Besides that, programs count hits differently, so its harder to compare.

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The money is still there to be made.

You just have to work 10x harder to get it. Everyday it is harder and and harder but the money is still there. I don't make 30K+ a week any more but still doing pretty good.

The pie is definitely shrinking, but it is still big enough that even if you get a small slice of it you can still make bank. You just have to work harder, longer, and smarter than everyone else. The days of finding something and making money from it on cruise control are way over. It's a lot of hard work and a lot of people get weeded out because of that, which still leaves money on the table for those who are busting their asses to make it.

I wouldn't bank on making affiliate money the rest of your life. Which is the main reason I am looking for an opportunity to hook up with a good company or individual who wants to have the best cam site out there. This affiliate shit is only going to last so long, at least for me it is. If you are an affiliate and you are smart you need to have an exit strategy - to having your own site, or investing in something offline, etc... something. I don't see things getting easier anytime soon and the pie will only shrink more over time.

i think it's good it's thinning out the field! fuck all of you :thumbsup

most of you idiots (xxxjay) had it made but you got lazy and sat back for to long while others expanded with markets now you idiots (xxxjay) only have yourself to blame. :thumbsup

well if your faked stats you linked in your sig was true ($200k+ in 3 months lol) then you dont have to worry about shit. and you wouldnt be on this board either. all my millionaire friends are on their boats or at their beachhouses.

I think that "?" was supposed to be a "!".
Traffic from inside a members area is as good as it gets.

Every Industry has it's changes and sometimes they come quicker then you expect it, i honestly agree with Pro that it's all a matter it's all about looking for new ways and using your brain for a change and not following the same routine. I haven't been affected much from the change i guess i made a right move a while back but the industry isn't going anywhere and surely not going to get over turned by a few illegal tube sites.

lol I read that post if you really did that, then funny stuff. :1orglaugh

As for the Opening post.. Yea, I still make a living and full time, but damn it's not what it was. TBH though I have been taking it easy the last year or so living on what I've built up in the past.

I got a bit bummed out from getting ripped on some stuff I paid to have done and then with the down turn in sales.. well I just felt it was time for a break. Thank goodness most of my stuff can still pull sales regardless if I worked on it today or 6 months ago.

Lately, I've been getting back to work and built 4 new blogs today so I'm getting back into the grove again. I'm hitting the blogs again fairly hard and see where that goes over the next few months.

TBH though, even with the obvious down turn is sales, there is still lots of money out there you just have to dig it up. I know I'm damn sure not going back to the daily grind so I'm starting to dig. :upsidedow

So if MVTs ratios are from member area, then my ratios are not that bad after all?
I have already plugged the plug for some really bad sponsors.. and more to come. But it takes time with so many sponsors and my older work is not exactly organized.

I think anyone can make a decent and honest living as affiliate, if they work full time and do not put all eggs in one nest (to keep it stable). For me, it's not only about money, but also because I love the work.

Just because you make 200K in 3 months doesn't mean you are a millionaire. There is a huge difference between NET and GROSS. Affiliate stats show you what a person GROSSES. What they actually NET / PROFIT is whole nother story. These days don't expect that Profit % to be huge either. Some people might have to spend 180K to make 200K. Certainly doesn't make them a millionaire. :2 cents:

+ tax :)

If his stats are from members areas then they suck serious ass no matter how much it shows he made. I still do not have to worry about converting less than 1:5 with that traffic.

PS - not hating on his stats.

who wants to go halves on a hot dog cart?

Some of his traffic is from members areas. Probably only a small part.
I was simply saying that's the best traffic - nothing about his or your conversions.

My non members conversions are similar to his and so is my approach.

unbelievably there's NO taco bell in Thailand!
the only taco bell in all of Asia is in Singapore.

keep trying to talk my wife into opening one here lol

or at least a knock off, since everything in Thailand is a knockoff or pirate copy.

:2 cents::2 cents:

Not in the affiliate game. They would do better licensing content, and doing clip stores. You can still easily do $100.00 a day if you are doing updates, and know how to market some.

:2 cents:

Jay, how much traffic did you loose? What did you do to get it back on the same level as it was? OR did you focus more on OCcash and was hoping the same tricks would still work for you as it did before for the link site?

Don't get me wrong I am not bashing you, just wondering. We also see a drop in sales but we still work hard with all 10 of us at the office (plus 5 parttime from home) here to make sure we all can continue to make a living out of this.

Times are changing and people need to get of their ass, this is not 1999 anymore and times are getting harder. The days of putting up a banner and see the sales flood in are over for a while already.

Is it harder, yes it's harder. I do a LOT of traffic and my ratio this month is creeping towards 1:3500, some programs that gave a few sales a day have simply not converted for weeks on end with ratios of 1:10k even some over 1:20k from SE traffic since thats most of my traffic.

Though I also partner in 2 paysite programs and have access to the reports. One of the main reasons I am sure is the huge CC declines, some guys even trying 3-4 legit cards before finally getting their join through. I can no longer signup to ccbill using any 5 of my cards, and have trouble with other processors too! Declines are up 300-400% from where I am sitting across the 4 processors we use, and thats not even mentioning the rebill declines from longstanding members!

Can you still make money as an affiliate? Fuck yeah! Sales are still being made, and traffic is still growing, and while we are in a bit of a rutt at the moment it will not always be like this. Quality porn sites are still making sales, people are still buying porn in droves and with so many big players getting out of the industry there is opportunity! Hell you can still make the magic $100k a year within 1-2 years with some hard work and dedication, and by hard work I mean not posting on the boards all day, and chatting on icq, I mean getting your hands dirty, pumping out 2-3 good sites a day, trading, tweaking, submitting, pushing and networking hard.

I joined with 3 other still very successful webmasters to start a free newbie training project, mostly because we all had family and friends keen to get into the biz. We have around 50 participants now, many how started from absolute scratch with almost no knowledge and in the space of a couple of months many of them are starting to make sales! Some do a site every few days, some maybe a blog a day, some are charging ahead really using the methods that we teach, the methods that work for us and are starting to see a weekly rise in traffic and sales. On top of that they work together, doing projects and trading links and helping eachother. The future of the affiliate model isn't in an isolated affiliate fighting against everyone else, its in cooperation and working together! There IS room in this industry for the affiliate, especially the affiliate who simply doesn't insert him or herself infront of an easy traffic source and traffic destination and hold out their hand for payment!

Regardless of the complaining about the shitty state of ratios and signups, this is still a pretty easy industry to get into in comparison to many others! It's still very easy to make $100k a year within 1-3 years, all it takes is some work, something which adult webmasters until recently haven't had to do.

I am a full time affiliate, and you won't believe: i am submitting galleries. i can feed my little family, i am not complaining, but sales do suck at the moment, hands down. i am not sure about the future, but i will diversify for sure. more attention to blogs, etc. but this current situation is motivating me to improve my work on a daily basis. I can't honestly pick any of the above options, as a mix of 2-3 is true for me.

You need to very seriously look into getting a merchant account. And, if you already have one then get a new one. This is a much easier way to make more money than getting more traffic. If you have people wanting to pay, you must find a way to let them.

We do through paysquare, though you are right declines are lower on that. Then again fraud screening is a pain in the rear end for them too, been getting hit by carders hard for the last 6 months.

Yeah I think THIS is the big problem. Thanks for verifying what I also see. I have NATS progs that are selling ok lately. Yet CCBill progs are not converting for shit.

I don't know about any other affils but I am not going to continue to send traffic to CCBill when there are NATS progs I am not using that I know can't do worse!

I know there are a lot of good folks in the industry promoting sites using CCBill and some of the sites are quite good so I try not to beat on CCBill too bad but damn.

Maybe if in a year us affils are sending 1/8 the traffic to CCBill they'll wake the F up. 5 cards declined is just rediculous.

I am at 1 in the last 24,000 hits to CCBill. WHY in the hell haven't I yanked links?

I don't know, I guess I hope suddenly CCBill will wake up tomrrow and lift the scrub.

Anyhow just venting. Pulling all CCBill links is a hell of a step back for me.

I didn't really lose any traffic. Traffic level is not proporional to drop in sales. Of couse, I know what worked a link time ago doesn't work now, trust me I caught a tn of shit for the old linklisters for starting snizzshare.

Like someone else in this thread said, when the median ratios for a paysite go from 1:400, go to 1:2000, to however bad they've gotten now, there is your problem.

A flux in the ratio hurts a lot more than a dip in traffic.

:2 cents:

If it effects the affiliates, it effects the site owners too.
Contact the site owners, find out if they are seeing the same problem. If they are, encourage them to use another processor. If you are losing money, they are losing money!
Don't sit quietly.

If you are getting hit by carders, your processors have the scrub on extra hard for your account and that's why your conversions took a dive. Get rid of the carders (seek professional help) and then have a chat with your billers.

And I just joined a real good looking CCBill prog yesterday because the sites look good, the content of the sites is stuff I know I can convert BUT, I also know I wont convert because it is CCBill prog.

No wonder I am cranky lately.

But I am putting links up today, why. Because the surfer will like the sites, maybe I'll get a sup, AND because Steve Lightspeed (in his honor) told me (in his 20 questions a month back) to be nice to the surfer. :)And Ya know I tried blind links lately and that shit is dead. So I'm going with Steve's advice and give em a freebee.

OK not that cranky. :)

With all due respect RK, I figure they see what I see.
I'm not the only guy on the boards bitchin about CCBill.

I guess deep down I hope CCBill will hear the one, annoying, whining cat and throw a little more milk in the bowl. Or I won't snuggle up no more and will go over to the neighbor Mr. Nats for good. :)

The question is how to make a living as an affiliate? If you want to make a living being an affiliate marketer, you need to find out and embrace some tactics and put everything in their respective place. Anyhow, webmasters must be honest, especially to themselves.

If ya have one good sponsor who converts decently you are still in the game. And I think most of us have that. The problem is we used to have 20 good sponsors. Now we are doing good if we have 5.

Shit still sells. Just less shit sells.

back in the day money used to grow on trees or just fall like snow flakes - you just had to pick 'em
nowadays you have to work for it.

1 golden age is over.. there will be plenty of others tho

name that sponsor with ratio 0:7k

great position :thumbsup

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