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Tjeezers 09-27-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 16365142)
I did read your last post. Give me just a little bit of credit. You have to stop yourself and ask how is what you quoted (Platinum's program is flawed. They want you to "sell" but if you "sell" too much, YOU'RE OUT.) valid for any program. Seriously, find me any program that cuts you off if you "sell too much."

Do you not see the fraudulent logic of selling to the same "customer" multiple times? Of course there are circumstances where it can happen, but I am willing to bet this isn't one of them.

So I ask you this, did you even read my post???? Enlighten me as to where you are. I'd be willing to bet you won't come out with the facts. I'll even double my offer. If I have to respond to this post again because you still avoid my answers I'll triple my offer. Fuck it, I'll go higher then that. I'd be willing to bet they are 100% right in this situation and I have zero to gain in this.

its fun reading u... you actually make a very good shot here

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 16365142)
I did read your last post. Give me just a little bit of credit. You have to stop yourself and ask how is what you quoted (Platinum's program is flawed. They want you to "sell" but if you "sell" too much, YOU'RE OUT.) valid for any program. Seriously, find me any program that cuts you off if you "sell too much."

Do you not see the fraudulent logic of selling to the same "customer" multiple times? Of course there are circumstances where it can happen, but I am willing to bet this isn't one of them.

So I ask you this, did you even read my post???? Enlighten me as to where you are. I'd be willing to bet you won't come out with the facts. I'll even double my offer. If I have to respond to this post again because you still avoid my answers I'll triple my offer. Fuck it, I'll go higher then that. I'd be willing to bet they are 100% right in this situation and I have zero to gain in this.

We didn't "sell" to the same customer. Platinum implied that the same customer purchased multiple free sites. There are 8 free sites. In fact, I really don't know what he purchased and which sites because Platinum refuses to disclose the details. They simply terminated us and implied that we commited fraud. It's total bullshit.

I stick to my original theory that they are simply not paying affiliates due to declining sales. The smaller affiliates, which we are in that category, as we only sold 2 or 3 per month, we are the ones to cut off first. It starts off small, cut here, pinch there.... just shave 10% across the board. then, 15%...etc...etc..... Well, they got our $ 280.

Enjoy it Platinum.

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 16365166)
very weird thread but their response is weirder

"multiple signups from the same pc"

how can a webmaster stop that from happening. When I promoted FEB I would regularly get some idiot joining 20 of them at a time....

Thank you. Some horny guy buys a couple different free sites, and we get fucked for it?

Platinum has 8 different free sites to join. We promote all 8. We can not control who joins what and when? We've been promoting them for some time now, and when one guy joins a couple, we get terminated and we don't get our previous sales commision??
Isn't the goal to SELL as many memberships as possible?
This is nuts.

But thank you for your supporting statement.

Jdoughs 09-27-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 16365591)
We didn't "sell" to the same customer. Platinum implied that the same customer purchased multiple free sites. There are 8 free sites. In fact, I really don't know what he purchased and which sites because Platinum refuses to disclose the details. They simply terminated us and implied that we commited fraud. It's total bullshit.

I stick to my original theory that they are simply not paying affiliates due to declining sales. The smaller affiliates, which we are in that category, as we only sold 2 or 3 per month, we are the ones to cut off first. It starts off small, cut here, pinch there.... just shave 10% across the board. then, 15%...etc...etc..... Well, they got our $ 280.

Enjoy it Platinum.

The rules around here state that if you claim a company is shaving or doing anything shady you must post proof or be banned.

If I had to wager, I'd bet this is one of your last posts.

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingfish (Post 16365237)
You mentioned you were promoting the free trials; often free trials with any sponsor will generate these types of problems. People will sign up for the same trial over and over again or multiple sites with the same sponsor. If you did everything on the up and up they should pay you, but I can see why they wouldn?t want to continue doing business with you moving forward.

All they have to do is Block the user that is abusing their site.

Why do WE have to be punished for some horny ass guy with a credit card signing up over and over to their different free programs?

Not fair.

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fris (Post 16365325)
show us a site you are promoting them on, $280 is peanuts, they wouldnt can you if you werent doing something shady, I know plenty of people sending 20+ joins a day and they love the checks they get

Wow, 20 a day? Our peak month was like 6 or 7. We normally have about 4 or 5 a month. Small potatoes here. This makes no sense at all. We have no history of any wrong doing.

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 16365352)
Isnt it odd after your 100 emails, I email them once and you have a response and I am not even promoting them. Or you also going to assume that it was just a coincidence that they finally answered one of your 100 plus emails and ignored mine?

You have made it clear early on that you do not understand even the basics of this industry. Fuck I think you actually thought you invented crosssales at one point last year. It is of not suprise that you violated their TOS. However I do not think you actually set out to cheat them, I just figure you made some dumb ass mistake that would of been clear to everyone else not to do and you did anyways.
Then again you very well may have signed up a few times yourself with different peoples cards but I doubt your mind has reached that level of complexity yet.

Nice. Taking the side of Big Brother. I'm shocked.

There was no fraud. We didn't send over fake joins.

Yeah, so in your mind we set up the entire affiliate program, and then waited 9 months later to make $ 280??

Steve Awesome 09-27-2009 07:54 PM

That small # of affiliate sales per month + the same IP making multiple purchases does indeed seem to indicate something fishy. Can you blame them?

Jdoughs 09-27-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 16365615)
We have no history of any wrong doing.


Once again, you are the only one who thinks that way. You've proved time and time again your lack of understanding of the adult business, actually business period.

d-null 09-27-2009 07:57 PM

give us some more details of your situation

ProG 09-27-2009 07:57 PM

Try pushing their warez site instead :1orglaugh

http://www.warezaccess.com/

Jdoughs 09-27-2009 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fmltube (Post 16365449)
No, the sponsor I had an issue with I sent them an email linked to this thread and they "fixed" the problem. I have no clue whats up with Alpha Sky.

So you rant on and on in here about how you would steal and rip sites if someone never paid you or attempted to be shady.

Then post that you know of one who isnt crediting for sales.

Then next post say its taken care of. But don't mention any names.

So you go from a crusader to a mute in 2 posts?

What the fuck do you take us for? Idiots?

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16365428)
maybe it was the "same PC" that also signed up as an affiliate in the first place? :1orglaugh

Thanks. yeah, you got us. Our master plan has been blown. It took nine months of intense planning to steal that $ 280, and now you've blown the case wide open.

d-null 09-27-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 16365640)
Thanks. yeah, you got us. Our master plan has been blown. It took nine months of intense planning to steal that $ 280, and now you've blown the case wide open.

I was joking there, it was too easy :1orglaugh

no hard feelings

AlphaSky 09-27-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16365645)
I was joking there, it was too easy :1orglaugh

no hard feelings

no offense taken....I was just being sarcastic as well.

I don't think much will come of this thread. But who knows, in the weeks and months ahead, if other affiliates get screwed over in the same fashion a pattern might be detected. Something that reflects the slow decline of sales. We are the first to get it in the ass when sales drop. $ 40 pps for porn that was made in the 80's ??? Come on, too good to be true.

d-null 09-27-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 16365663)
no offense taken....I was just being sarcastic as well.

I don't think much will come of this thread. But who knows, in the weeks and months ahead, if other affiliates get screwed over in the same fashion a pattern might be detected. Something that reflects the slow decline of sales. We are the first to get it in the ass when sales drop. $ 40 pps for porn that was made in the 80's ??? Come on, too good to be true.

hopefully someone from PlatinumBucks will see the thread and make a comment on your situation

Agent 488 09-27-2009 08:15 PM

platinum bucks does excellent with warez traffic.

pornpf69 09-27-2009 10:02 PM

any updates?
where are the guys from PB?

After Shock Media 09-27-2009 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 16365622)
Nice. Taking the side of Big Brother. I'm shocked.

There was no fraud. We didn't send over fake joins.

Yeah, so in your mind we set up the entire affiliate program, and then waited 9 months later to make $ 280??

If you actually read the thread I am not taking the side of big brother or even PB. I said you probably broke the tos without even thinking about breaking it. As in accidental. Your history has shown that you have missunderstood so many things in this industry it just makes it the most simple answer.

I will make it very simple for you since 280 is nothing to them, and so far they are not to concerned with potential drama from your post. If I was in your shoes and knew for a fact I did nothing wrong, it would only take a couple hours to file a small claims case even if on principle alone. Then you could come back here and post the document if you win, do that and well people may add a few points to what they think about your posting. It only costs 35-75 bucks and you can get that back in court if you win. Think about it.

Davy 09-28-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fmltube (Post 16364919)
Not sure what to make of the OP but I do know that if I end up getting fucked by a sponsor, I will throw all of my ethics out of the window and I will rip their content until I am compensated for what I have earned.

Do the world a favor. Just die. Now.

Tjeezers 09-28-2009 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davy (Post 16365962)
Do the world a favor. Just die. Now.

Why, he still has one chance left, that of becoming a traffic seller

Pornopat 09-28-2009 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 16366152)
Why, he still has one chance left, that of becoming a traffic seller

That would earn him a spot on their tour catering to surfers....

JayDeeZee 09-28-2009 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornpf69 (Post 16365832)
any updates?
where are the guys from PB?

I think they are at the Amsterdam show.

Marialovesporn 09-28-2009 08:02 AM

You amuse me. You are all bitching about not getting paid for sales you generated. So when you are an affiliate you want your sponsor program to be honest and pay all the sales you send them right. I can understand that. I feel the same ;-) Even though I can not judge this situation with Platinum Bucks ( they have a far far far better reputation than you do, this has to be mentioned ...), you do remind me about some cool one liners you gave me, when I approached you , being an affiliate and wanted to get paid for some sales I send you.
Check it out, in case you have a bad memory ;-)
Quote:

yeah, I remember now. So what? What do you do, go back in the archives trying to find hidden clues on issues that are SO SMALL so that you can "be right" and "we can be wrong?"

WHO CARES?
More can be found in this epic thread:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...849378&page=15
and this one:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=891680
ohh and dont forget this one ;-)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=914511

So please consider to show some more respect to your affiliates next time, as you state in this thread is of so much value for you, being an affiliate of Platinum Bucks yourself.
:2 cents:

Ravage 09-28-2009 08:04 AM

AlphaSky,

At your earliest convenience, could you please hit me up either via email or ICQ to discuss and resolve this matter.

Thanks,
Chris

EvilFubAr 09-28-2009 09:03 AM

PB are good peeps, and no one is going to release detailed fraud techniques that concern your signups. Im sure they made the right call.

fris 09-28-2009 09:14 AM

PB was one of the first programs I signedup with, along with nastydollars and bangbros

Platinum Kroum 09-28-2009 09:32 AM

Hi AlphaSky,

The account was flagged as fraudulent by our automated fraud screening systems. There were numerous factors that contributed to this, e.g. duplicate sales (not just one), as well as low number of hits. These are signs usually associated with fraud.

We have been in business for 12 years and have always paid all our affiliates on time. Our reputation is rock solid and over the years we have worked with hundreds of thousands of satisfied affiliates and companies worldwide.

Due to the nature of our Free Pass Bucks program, it is highly susceptible to fraud. We do our utmost to screen all accounts flagged so, but due to the sheer volume of transactions sometimes errors and/or misjudgements can occur.

I have now reactivated your account and our accounting dept. will be advised and issue payouts accordingly. Please do not hesitate to contact me directly should you need further support.

Thanks to everyone on GFY for your kind words and support! :)

P.S. Bryan is in Amsterdam for the show and is also taking some personal time off around those dates for travels elsewhere in Europe. This would explain why your e-mails to him went unanswered.

d-null 09-28-2009 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Kroum (Post 16367132)
Hi AlphaSky,

The account was flagged as fraudulent by our automated fraud screening systems. There were numerous factors that contributed to this, e.g. duplicate sales (not just one), as well as low number of hits. These are signs usually associated with fraud.

We have been in business for 12 years and have always paid all our affiliates on time. Our reputation is rock solid and over the years we have worked with hundreds of thousands of satisfied affiliates and companies worldwide.

Due to the nature of our Free Pass Bucks program, it is highly susceptible to fraud. We do our utmost to screen all accounts flagged so, but due to the sheer volume of transactions sometimes errors and/or misjudgements can occur.

I have now reactivated your account and our accounting dept. will be advised and issue payouts accordingly. Please do not hesitate to contact me directly should you need further support.

Thanks to everyone on GFY for your kind words and support! :)

P.S. Bryan is in Amsterdam for the show and is also taking some personal time off around those dates for travels elsewhere in Europe. This would explain why your e-mails to him went unanswered.

:thumbsup

BradM 09-28-2009 09:47 AM

Dear Alphasky,
I hope you die.

Sincerely,
Everyone who has ever gotten to know you.

pornpf69 09-28-2009 11:48 AM

As we already knew PB got things sorted out... did Alpha Sky sort things out for all his affiliates?

Johny Traffic 09-28-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marialovesporn (Post 16366850)
You amuse me. You are all bitching about not getting paid for sales you generated. So when you are an affiliate you want your sponsor program to be honest and pay all the sales you send them right. I can understand that. I feel the same ;-) Even though I can not judge this situation with Platinum Bucks ( they have a far far far better reputation than you do, this has to be mentioned ...), you do remind me about some cool one liners you gave me, when I approached you , being an affiliate and wanted to get paid for some sales I send you.
Check it out, in case you have a bad memory ;-)


More can be found in this epic thread:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...849378&page=15
and this one:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=891680
ohh and dont forget this one ;-)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=914511

So please consider to show some more respect to your affiliates next time, as you state in this thread is of so much value for you, being an affiliate of Platinum Bucks yourself.
:2 cents:

quoted so people remember what a fat stupid piece of shit this cunt really is :thumbsup

O MARINA 09-28-2009 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 16362980)
Anybody else getting fucked over by Platinum Bucks?




NO - never

AaliyahLove 09-28-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marialovesporn (Post 16366850)
You amuse me. You are all bitching about not getting paid for sales you generated. So when you are an affiliate you want your sponsor program to be honest and pay all the sales you send them right. I can understand that. I feel the same ;-) Even though I can not judge this situation with Platinum Bucks ( they have a far far far better reputation than you do, this has to be mentioned ...), you do remind me about some cool one liners you gave me, when I approached you , being an affiliate and wanted to get paid for some sales I send you.
Check it out, in case you have a bad memory ;-)


More can be found in this epic thread:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...849378&page=15
and this one:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=891680
ohh and dont forget this one ;-)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=914511

So please consider to show some more respect to your affiliates next time, as you state in this thread is of so much value for you, being an affiliate of Platinum Bucks yourself.
:2 cents:


in other words.. Karma is a bitch? or What goes around comes around?

Loch 09-28-2009 02:01 PM

Damn Kroum, i heard that you were now a VP of PB...congrats are way over due :)

Marialovesporn 09-28-2009 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaliyahLove (Post 16368114)
in other words.. Karma is a bitch? or What goes around comes around?

:2 cents:

spazlabz 09-28-2009 02:25 PM

same PC does not equal same CC#
you might see unfair program and they might see carder ripping them off


spaz

AlphaSky 09-28-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Kroum (Post 16367132)
Hi AlphaSky,

.........I have now reactivated your account and our accounting dept. will be advised and issue payouts accordingly. Please do not hesitate to contact me directly should you need further support.........

Thanks to everyone on GFY for your kind words and support! :)

P.S. Bryan is in Amsterdam for the show and is also taking some personal time off around those dates for travels elsewhere in Europe. This would explain why your e-mails to him went unanswered.

Thank you very much for your response and for resolving this matter. :thumbsup Please know that we never sent in fraudulent sign ups and we do feel victim to consumer(s) that take advantage of the free sign up programs with Platinum via our affiliate program. I do thank you again for resolving this matter and honoring our prior sales.

We hereby rescind and apologize for any comments and or allegations that were made, in anger, against Platinum Bucks.

Best,
Alpha Sky Productions

pornpf69 09-28-2009 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loch (Post 16368141)
Damn Kroum, i heard that you were now a VP of PB...congrats are way over due :)

PB is too good to do that...

NYRangers 09-28-2009 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 16365468)
its fun reading u... you actually make a very good shot here

I pop up when I've been drinking. I wake up the next day hoping I made sense. Sometimes I'm spot on.

I have no clue who you are and I've never seen your screen name before. But thanks for giving me a push. Most likely you have an AA meeting to attend to. I'll hopefully see you there.

I'm in Munich!!!! Wasted and more stupid than usual. I most likely will go after someone in the next hour.


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