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Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-05-2009 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Ryan (Post 16395554)
Oh you mean like they do now with pop-up consoles, cross-sales, exit chains, upsells in the members area, etc... Gotcha :)
I send to popup free tours, I try to avoid cross sales, exit chains are out also, and upsells in the members area? I already made my money off the surfer, if they wanna try to sell them more, their choice...

fuzebox 10-05-2009 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Ryan (Post 16395540)
And again, i would say even if a surfer DID delete all cookies, it still wouldnt effect the referring affiliate from being credited with the sale on a return visit to the site as many programs also use ip tracking, php sessions and countless other methods to track affiliate sales.
Which of the major affiliate program scripts use ip tracking, other than ccbill?

PHP sessions rely on cookies.

Can you please list some of the countless other methods?

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-05-2009 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16395994)
Which of the major affiliate program scripts use ip tracking, other than ccbill?

PHP sessions rely on cookies.

Can you please list some of the countless other methods?
Ignore that idiot.

Evil Ryan 10-05-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16395994)
Which of the major affiliate program scripts use ip tracking, other than ccbill?

PHP sessions rely on cookies.

Can you please list some of the countless other methods?
NATs does im also told that Executive Stats does too.

As for countless other methods, how about user agents, cookie, browser sessions, and querie strings - Which you can read up about on the NATs site ;)

Trust me, deleting a cookie in todays age of affiliate marketing rarely results in an affiliate losing a sale unless a program has it setup that way.

nation-x 10-05-2009 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Ryan (Post 16396238)
NATs does im also told that Executive Stats does too.

As for countless other methods, how about user agents, cookie, browser sessions, and querie strings - Which you can read up about on the NATs site ;)

Trust me, deleting a cookie in todays age of affiliate marketing rarely results in an affiliate losing a sale unless a program has it setup that way.
I can tell you are new... your best bet is to market this directly to programs and not to affiliates... at least not here... mayby iq69... because they are dumb fucks too.

czarina 10-05-2009 03:12 PM
doesnt evidence wipe remove the cookies and keep you from getting paid?
I would promote something that doesnt screw webmasters instead.

fuzebox 10-05-2009 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Ryan (Post 16396238)
NATs does im also told that Executive Stats does too.

As for countless other methods, how about user agents, cookie, browser sessions, and querie strings - Which you can read up about on the NATs site ;)

Trust me, deleting a cookie in todays age of affiliate marketing rarely results in an affiliate losing a sale unless a program has it setup that way.
I'm not going to keep on going back and forth with you. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I actually know quite a bit about this subject and I think you're being misleading.

shermo 10-05-2009 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16396575)
I'm not going to keep on going back and forth with you. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I actually know quite a bit about this subject and I think you're being misleading.
+1

I'm not trying to be a dick either, but any potential for an affiliate losing a bookmark or a re-typein is something that I believe most programs will shy away from. :2 cents:

Evil Ryan 10-05-2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16396575)
I'm not going to keep on going back and forth with you. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I actually know quite a bit about this subject and I think you're being misleading.
How am i being misleading?

I have stated numerous times that YES if a program you are promoting ONLY tracks sales using cookies and the user deletes all of their cookies, you wont get credit for the sale.

HOWEVER any program around in the industry right now does not only track using cookies, the also track using ip address, user agents and a slew of other methods which guarantee if a cookie is deleted that the affiliate still gets credited with the sale for referring the surfer.

@ sherm - how would having a bookmarked surfer on a site that tracks using multiple methods lose the affiliate a sale? Simply put, it wouldnt, sure the cookie would be deleted but the ip is still tracked, so is the user agent and whatever other method a program uses to track affiliate sales.

I really do think this whole 'deleting cookies' is a non-issue because it really doesnt matter, it seems like a lot of people are still stuck in the 90's thinking the only way affiliate programs track sales is with cookies LOL

Isnt the whole 'craze' about NATs that they dont just use cookies to track affiliate sales? :helpme

shermo 10-05-2009 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Ryan (Post 16397563)
How am i being misleading?

I have stated numerous times that YES if a program you are promoting ONLY tracks sales using cookies and the user deletes all of their cookies, you wont get credit for the sale.

HOWEVER any program around in the industry right now does not only track using cookies, the also track using ip address, user agents and a slew of other methods which guarantee if a cookie is deleted that the affiliate still gets credited with the sale for referring the surfer.

@ sherm - how would having a bookmarked surfer on a site that tracks using multiple methods lose the affiliate a sale? Simply put, it wouldn't, sure the cookie would be deleted but the ip is still tracked, so is the user agent and whatever other method a program uses to track affiliate sales.

I really do think this whole 'deleting cookies' is a non-issue because it really doesnt matter, it seems like a lot of people are still stuck in the 90's thinking the only way affiliate programs track sales is with cookies LOL

Isnt the whole 'craze' about NATs that they dont just use cookies to track affiliate sales? :helpme
You're missing the point...The point is that is that affiliate programs need to assure the affiliate that their sales are safe. If there is something with a 0.00000000001% chance of losing a sale for that affiliate down the road, then it must be avoided.

Yes, multiple measures are in place with most programs to assure that all tracks correctly. However, I think we all know that a perfect world where everything works as it should 100% of the time, does not exist. In other words, affiliate programs don't need to add a variable in the mix that potentially could fuck things up.

Your program is good for a site owner pushing his site, and his site alone. :2 cents:

rowan 10-05-2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Ryan (Post 16397563)
How am i being misleading?

I have stated numerous times that YES if a program you are promoting ONLY tracks sales using cookies and the user deletes all of their cookies, you wont get credit for the sale.

HOWEVER any program around in the industry right now does not only track using cookies, the also track using ip address, user agents and a slew of other methods which guarantee if a cookie is deleted that the affiliate still gets credited with the sale for referring the surfer.

@ sherm - how would having a bookmarked surfer on a site that tracks using multiple methods lose the affiliate a sale? Simply put, it wouldnt, sure the cookie would be deleted but the ip is still tracked, so is the user agent and whatever other method a program uses to track affiliate sales.

I really do think this whole 'deleting cookies' is a non-issue because it really doesnt matter, it seems like a lot of people are still stuck in the 90's thinking the only way affiliate programs track sales is with cookies LOL

Isnt the whole 'craze' about NATs that they dont just use cookies to track affiliate sales? :helpme
You're only thinking in the short term, like a single session.

What happens if the surfer returns a few days later, via typing in the paysite name, then signs up? The ONLY way to properly attribute this sale to an affiliate is with a cookie. The affiliate will lose that sale if the surfer has run your software in the meantime.


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