over fitty ccbilly....maybe thats why they will be around for a long time! ...

Agreed. :)

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup:thumbsup:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

5 perfectly valid credit cards, all active and not blocked or anything ... cant get a single one past ccbill.

cascaded billing will fix these issues up.

These threads make me laugh.

In my opinion, CCBill lets through a lot more shit that it should stop from common sense than good cards that it does stop and shouldn't.

Actually that is ONE charge back or ONE refund.

If they have to issue you either one, you are black listed. Or that card, and e-mail address is.

I remember joining a site 4-5 years ago to check it out. It had some content from a few models who had done work for my company. Anyway, the whole membership area was down. Broken links, nothing working, couldn't download shit.

Hit up the webmaster. No reply. Hit them up again. Nada. Tried to track them down anyway I could, no answer. Contacted CCB for refund. Refused. I explained whole site not working. They did not care. Escalated to manager. Refused. I showed them numerous attempt to resolve, and contact owner, refund denied.

Threatened charge back, refund issued. Black listed.

:2 cents:

True dat.

Also, as others pointed out. My rebills are off the hook with CCB. EASILY two or three to 1 (if not higher) compared to Verotel and Zombaio. Verotel is the best, in my experience for rebills. CCB the worst.

Keep in mind that I rarely have a charge back, or refund on my sites. If it's even 1 every two months I would be surprised. So I do not wanna hear any scrubber full blast excuses based on high charge backs.

While it may apply to many BROgrams with their cross sales. It would not apply in my case.

CCbill and pretty much EVERY SINGLE ONE of their employees that I have met are some of the only and individually and as a group probably the most trusted people I know in this business.

they are solid.

as for scrubbing - yeah they are a little tighter but I prefer that as less charge backs and GUESS WHAT - if they don't get the sale their IN HOUSE SYSTEM ALLOWS cascading - that kinda like saying - sorry - can we help you to take this person to someone else to see if you can monetize the person with another company?

also what I LOVE about them is they don't hide from posts like this and you got a CCbill VISE PRESIDENT posting in this thread.

probably the top most solid processors today ;- )

Agreed.

While no longer my top choice in processor for my cascade. They are the industry leader. That said, they.. like ALL PROCESSORS... have their quirks, hang ups, issues. Each one does some thing that some one doesn't like.

Whether it is CCB's $15 WIRE fees, never paying early, or scrubbing full blast. Or Verotel's ancient back end and affiliate program, or Zomabio's lack of good affiliate program or 24 hour answer to support tickets. Each has their good, and bad, sticking points for people.

That can be said about almost ANY company in, or out, of adult online.

:2 cents:

ccbill has never disputed the fact that they scrub the most. They are just the most careful. But you have to have them in your cagade, and they are a great company. I don't think you can find one bad thing about them. Their support is great, and they solid. FYI most declines are by bank denials. Several times I took complete scrubbing off my gateway, and stuff was still getting scrubbed like mad. I joined my own site to test wtf was going on, and my phone rang. BOA calling to see if my card was stolen. That's where your declines are comming from.
Duke

Maybe it's time to try something new?

Question: When CCBill owes you money, how much do you worry about the check coming or the check clearing?

Answer: Zero Percent.

When you bill with some new company that started up an hour ago and *seems to* be a better deal.... and then a few months later that new company is nowhere to be found and your money is gone.... THAT is the decline that matters most. :2 cents:


P.S. - Your thread title sucks... but you must have already known that

Great responses by corvette in this thread :thumbsup

I do very much trust CCBill, but it probably is worth it to cascade billing... I've been CCBill-only for years. I'll be interested to see the results from a nicely setup cascade. :pimp

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You kill me:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

CCBILL is the best simply because it has the largest network of adult pay sites. and this says it all

crappy deal

everything new is good-forgotten one :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I always sign up to sponsors I push. As an affiliate I don't want to push shit. My cards have never been declined...

(I would love to slap a Mikey's GIF here saying "Honey! It's for work!)

Here, corrected that for you.


I've been getting results from a/b tests
and ccbill is constantly behind the rest

Of all the bilers in the industry,
they have highest decline I see.

they once supported the whole porn nation
but now I see cracks in their foundation

don't take my word for it, of course.

i recommend to all programs
change your biller and see who's strong.


.. and let me know, if I'm wrong.

Yeah that's correct. Depending on the bank and what decline descriptions they pass back you'll see in the decline error response "not authorized".

We just have to be more proactive and tell the member on processing what happened. I bet some would call the bank, but most probably won't for various reasons.

Sure but before anyone does read this thread

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/914927-newbies-history-ibill-short-version.html

Meh... forget credit card billing ..mobile phone billing is the way to go

No wonder signup ratios are bad, close to NOTHING in my case.
1:8000k
1:10000K
1:20 000k

etc...
I've lost 50% of my revenues so far this year. No matter what i do, it's still going down. :Oh crap

Haha, its simple - over time ccbill builds a database of people who are fraudelent, or friendly fraud etc.

I do not think it heavily screws with the bottom line at the end of the day. Do you really want refunds and chargebacks coming in months later?

Nah.

Another thing to track is rejected countries, or countries CCBILL isn't prominent in. People go with whos comfortable - consider using GEOIP with specific rules. I could suggest some cascades to help.

ccbill is also still in business, unlike a lot of others

i <3 ccbill

Probilling Fiasco

Although, to their credit, 3 years after they lost Mastercard and Visa, they finally paid out what they owed us.

Globill who are up and running again as Globill.net

Anyone using any of these companies is an obvious retard and deserves everything that happens to them when their so called new company goes down the shitter

i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.

Well that's quite the retort... is there any truth to this?

Wow... this thread is amazing, and I cant wait for a response on this new accusation...

This was the best answer in this whole thread. THANK YOU!!!
You would think everyone does that nowadays.

Thats what cascades are for :P

wow what a bunch of BS! I am no where near a big fish and I see sales day in and day out (never 6 hours without a sale haha). Just because your site doesn't sell don't bash the best billing company out there.

:1orglaugh

You said rebills are off the hook with ccbill, but then said they are the worst for rebills.

Just wanting to clarify because im working with both ccbill and zombaio right now. Only running through 2 sales per day or so because the site isnt even released yet but interested for future info.

Exactly if you really think ccbill is declining people and not passing them onto the cascade you can put the other biller before ccbill and have them cascade to ccbill with the ccbill cascade system

i monitor lots of different sites, each with varying degrees of success. the site i did the "6 hour" test with has steady traffic from the same sources but wild fluctuations in conversion. the test showed *me* that ccbill declines are out of hand.

there's a lot of intelligent people on gfy and in this industry. i am just sharing what i have found out through conversations and experiments. hopefully we can get a clear picture of whats going on.

glad u are so rich tho. hope u get your Geo paid off soon.

Thanks...I give feedback as it is needed...

No, not in years....And that's strange for someone who can look over 1000 joins.....However, good feedback lol...

I remember about 5 years ago pulling up a bunch of numbers and looking into declines on my site because some guy had posted how decline rates were like the most important thing for a webmaster to focus on. I can't recall what the exact numbers were but after looking into it I realized this guy was full of shit (at least with regards to my site/situation). The declines for my site were insignificant. If I could reduce my declines by half it would add only pennies to my bottom line each month. I haven't given the slightest thought to declines since then and don't plan to now. There are far more important things for a webmaster to track and manage. I think a webmaster fixating on declines is like a brick and mortar store owner fixating on cracks in the sidewalk in front of his store.

Been with CCBill for 8 years and have never been happier.

Put Epoch in your cascade!

the zero sunday was on ONE site. obviously.
matt's models gets a sale every few minutes.

interpret how u want tho. thats what gfy is all about!

Yes, yes and yes. Or, 'true dat' (as the kidz say). Cascading often does the trick, as I've stated over and over, but ponying up ANOTHER $750 to Visa is what deters most people, methinks. THAT and the fact that it took me three fucking WEEKS to get all the cascading between companies working right. THE GOOD NEWS: The cascading paid for itself in two weeks.

True dat indeed!

ABSOLUTELY! Jersey Pride 'cause we have our heads on straight. Heh.

Thread title is out of line.

why dont you do cascade billing? and rotate the first biller every other week to spead risk. I have one biller that doesnt rebill, its bizarre. i get 25% rebills and my otehr ones i get way more. also i think they turn up scrubbing when they near a 3% cb rate. once that gets below 2.5% or 2% they remove it. pure speculation though.

I think all billers are declining like crazy right now, it might be the banks.