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It is not one of the worst paying industries if you know how to do business. That would be like wondering how fast food places make money selling 99 cent burgers.

Perhaps your perception of it is off because you only see designers making advertisement threads here. Its like assuming that tgp's don't make money either because people are complaining about conversions here on gfy. But if it was such a terrible industry, there would not be so many of them existing and making money.

Ask Zuzana who just bought a new beach house how terrible it is. :upsidedow

if you want quality work. you have to pay for it. being in the construction industry as well, many people that want an estimate would prefer i slave all day for just 100 bucks. They aren't willing to do the work themselves and don't want to pay for our work. They think that its ok for me to use 3 guys plus myself and only have to pay me $500 total to pay for all my labor and materials.

In this business its the same. there is someone that will do it kind of cheap so they will go with that person cuz they are cheaper, and they just want a throw together site. In reality, you should want a great design that is going to get your surfer to stay and convert. if you dont really have the money, then do it yourself. you will learn alot along the way and get a better respect for the creativity that a great designer can do. takes a while to develop that creativity. i have gotten better in the year i have been trying to make stuff. and have a way to go.

Webmasters. try paying a decent amount and you will get a great product. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. its true to all things in any industry. if i had top dollar i would pay it and expect to get a top dollar product. that isnt rushed and that looks great.

"and expect to get a top dollar product"

top dollar doesnt mean the guy wont be a junky slacker lazy fucker, its gotten to a point years ago where is something is important ome ill hire 2 guys to do the same fucking work, if both do it ill pay em both, ill pick at the end whos design or development work i like better, at least I dont have to wait 4 weeks to find out i dealt with a excuse generator just to have to start over again with a new guy.

another thing is also it seems noone here understand that if you dont give a deadline to someone they will take their lovely time, anyone you hire for anything you set the dealine, they miss it explain you move on, if you dont do this expect a business card design to take 52 weeks

by not rushed i simply meant there was a deadline for the job but the pay was more then sufficient to where they didnt have to move on to the next project, rather they made enough to where they can finish my project in a timely manner and make it look great.

OK, clear to me that not one single designer in this thread has ever received an project delivered in the proper way.
Properly planned out with milestones, review processes etc etc etc

If you did you would realyse that missing a deadline is almost impossible unless the client extends the deadline as he dident like the direction in one of the milestone reviews, added to the plan etc etc
I never said in this thread that deadlines couldent be extended, of course they can and they will.....however it is the way it done today "In most cases" that is unacceptable.

I will leave it at this as well who am i to tell you how to run your business right :)

PS: Dont blame being late on the creative process, this will scare the people with money far far away and just makes you look like a bad designer....
If you have developed a design you dont like and the deadline is closing in, present it to the client, admit that you do not like it too much and ask for more time, but have a new PLAN and new DIRECTION for the right layout/design.
Business people LOVE that stuff as they feel in control and in TOUCH with what your company is doing.

/Just got up so im sure this post i littered with spelling mistakes lol, live with it