Newspapers, magazines, etc... don't have "Social" aspects. This is why the medium was taken over. But the advertising was dieing well before the medium, just like television and the Internet is today.

Most of our Industry sells people directly, they offer no social love, support or a true connection to the product or company. No interaction from the affiliate to the surfer, or many paysite owners to the buyer.


This isn't just Online Porn - it's online EVERYTHING. Every single corner of the Internet is falling were direct marketing is applied. You can build any niche you want, mainstream or porn. Getting traffic is easy, converting it sales is hard.

Until you stop direct selling them and start providing and filling needs/wants/desires of people, creating personal connections with them. People will beg to be sold when they 'think' they have a connection with you.


But I can see from all the Twitter is stupid threads, that the majority of us simply don't get it.

Newspapers and magazines did not lose sales because of social interaction, the internet was just cheaper. No printing, instant updates, easy access, etc.

If you want to find a job or a used car, just go online, and find classifieds... instantly.

The internet just makes more sense, with less overhead - like online porn vs going to your local video rental store to rent DVDs. It is much easier, and less embarrassing.

Porn sold online because people liked porn. It was always recession-proof, because people liked and wanted the taboo treat that is porn.

Now porn is free, and the industry only has itself to blame. The age-old question, why buy the cow when the milk is free, comes to mind.

Everyone who can't see that adult is clearly eating itself, make statements like, you need to change and evolve. Of course that is true with all business, but tell me how the LARGEST online porn companies have changed.

Reality Kings for example, sells porn memberships. Now they utilize more tubes and blogs than before, but they still make thier money from online porn memberships. The only difference is that now they likely make much less profit than they did 5 years ago, like almost ALL adult websites.

Say whatever you want, but as long as a product is free, it will not sell as well as a product that is locked down.

When a liquor store offers a free wine tasting they allow their customers to "sample" their wines, in hopes of selling bottles and cases of same. They do not give away bottles and cases to boost sales, but that is now what the people in adult are doing... giving everything away for free.

This is really simple to understand. In the mid to late 90's, the 1980's porn companies were telling us to fuck off, were weren't the future, blah blah blah.

They were very wrong... mainstream porn may have died faster, but it wasn't dead and mainstream media didn't start to die, until Social Media took off.


Right now, at this very second and any other second during the day. Millions, hundreds of millions of people, aren't looking at free porn content. They don't hunt for it, don't care to search for porn.. they are to busy doing other shit, to care about us.

Right now... Social Media is LARGER than porn, it has overtaken it in searches, it dwarfs it in uses.

You have more people, NOT looking at porn, than you do, hundreds of millions at this very second.

And you think... Free Porn, keeps them from buying? Lord man, the video game industry is bigger than porn, it has more eyeballs at this second than porn does!



Wake up. Stop SELLING to people that won't BUY in the first place.

I know it is like beating a dead horse, but people are much less likely to purchase a product that they can get for free.

If pants were free you would not buy them. Pants are not free however, so they must be purchased.

People have always been happy to pay for porn, but now that it is free, sales are no longer robust.

This is not rocket science...

If you took away free porn today, all piracy and free porn. You would be out of business in 24 hours. Your traffic would die over night, your sales would drop to a trickle, and you along with 90% of us, would be gone the next day.


No free porn means a very tiny % of people 'looking to buy' porn, split up over a ton of us. It would NEVER create a new rush, never having it - would have meant we never had the rush.... FREE Drove Us and it drives us today.

You're getting stuck on what was... just like the porn companies in the 80's. Porn in the 90's dwarfed porn over the last 20 years combined... it GREW, because of Free!

worst month ever fuck!

Well, you have to ask yourself...

"Am I giving all of my stuff away for free, or am I still trying to sell it?"

Apparently you can make way more money giving it all away. People will clearly pay for your free stuff. That's how it works nowadays. Maybe you just don't get it....

We are on track to be up on revenue by 36% over last month, and up 15% on initial signups.

Like I mentioned before we have had growth every month since May. All CCBill.

I only provide 30 seconds free on my tube pay sites.

I also track down and DMCA mofos. I never believed in the free business model. I still offer the stills for tgp submits, but other than the teaser clips. You're out of luck. However, I am still getting sign ups, and people are still buying.

Funny how that works.

Sounds about right.

Ofc free drives this biz but not free 30min videos(well now It does). Free 30 sec video samples is plenty IMO or for a entire scene that's say 40min a 1minute trailer should do.

10 to 30 second tops. Too much free = less sales.

Some say no previews is actually better for sales.

I will NEVER believe free long clips are helping shit. It may be how things are right now, but that is no reason to jump on the douche bag bandwagon.

the side is not govt who must do something about it, the side is "we are" as an industry who must take an action.

once govt involved in something like that, You can't know what this storm will bring from it's behind.

in case the people who buy ads from tubes are this industry's known people, no one from government or either from mainstream media comes and buy ads from tubes/torrents.

as long as this continues and no one from industry bothers to do something for it, pirates will always find a way and people like Yourself will be keep whining and bitching about it.

so the address where You should go is industry guys, big companies, no where other then those

Every month is a good month when you have mobile sites that work on all mobile devices. We have some very happy affiliates :thumbsup

Best post in this thread ever...

:thumbsup

best post ever!!!!

Biggest problem imo is credit cards. With CC companies continuing to increase rates and take in credit lines, folks just arent buying as much. Simple as that.

For me, the fall has been better than the summer. June was my worst, Sep my best. Oct started off ok but the last 5 days have indeed been very bad.

Posted was not happy with CCbill a while back but lately I have got some signups and the ratio is a bit better again.

One of my sponsors who I always get several sups a month has had about the same number of submits this month on the same traffic (uses Nats 4 which is why I know, btw - I now rate Nats 4 way higher that Nats 3 just on that statistic alone, I regress) but no joins. Which tells me obviously it is not the surfer not wanting to buy memberships but not ABLE to buy memberships.

The surfer wants to sign up but for some reason cant. I suspect, as others with more resources than me have eluded to, this is the industry's biggest problem right now: processing / banking /cc's/ tranfership of funds.

The bright spot? I believe people DO want to buy. They are more picky. But they still WANT to buy if the processers, economy, cc companies ect were cooperating.

Brutal Sales.
:(

Hundie.
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Sig.

You are wise. Can you train me to be a sig whore master?

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As the fall of the music industry, movies, software, among many others, piracy, porn certainly fall as well, by piracy and free content, coupled with the economic crisis is devastating. :(
Anyway don't go down our arms and keep working!

I am certain that your statement is meant to be positive and motivational, and thank you for that, but just out of curiosity, what does "don't go down our arms" mean?

i agree. don't go down our arms. best advice in this thread.

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Wtf's happening ? For the past 4 days it's really really bad here !
Shit, it gets worst and worst month after month.

Basic economics 101... people do not pay for what they can get for free, especially when times are tough.

Coca Cola's bottled water used to sell okay, but now that times are tough people are going back to tap, so the water division of Coca Cola is now tanking.

Can't afford the porn you really want - then you will get by okay with the porn offered for free via the tubes (and torrents, password forums, file share sites, etc.).

Unless SOMETHING changes, things will definitely get worse... guaranteed!

follow the free.

Amen!!

I'm, glad there is still one person left with a brain on GFY!

October is looking fucking good so far.

Basic economics.....

Money = High Speed Internet
No Money = No Internet Access

Low on Money = Slower Internet Access = Less Surfing = No Buying Porn
Free Internet = No Porn

Which basic economics do you want to cover?

If something has to change, why not you?

Why are you waiting for the entire Internet to change, the way you want? Which isn't going to happen no mater what any of us do. All the legal action in the world won't stop or slow down piracy.


The only thing that needs to change, is you... this crap isn't changing back, you best get over it and starting learning again.

I can easily see the people who give up easily in this thread.


If you are only working 15 hours in a day, try working 20 hours and see if you can't figure out a way to curve money out of online porn.

I mention that October sales are slow and that free porn is not helping the equation (which is hard to deny) and somehow I'm the target for some of the anger out there?

I continue to work on my stuff. I am updating. I am working on new tours. I have over 2 dozen blogs, and a handful of free sites. I have a few unique marketing angles I am working on. My sites are pretty good with regard to SEO, and include HUNDREDS of exclusive videos. I have at least 3 new sites in the works, and I am still shooting!

I don't understand why anyone in this biz is pissed off at me about the current state of affairs. I am not running any bullshit tube sites or pirate sites of any sort, nor am I stealing anyone's shit or illegally x-selling.

I have the right to bitch about shit all I want to vent. If you can see what I am doing wrong, or know how you can help me, then by all means, hit me up!

Some of you act like I am intentionally trying not to make money so I can bitch about it. That is not true, and if you want to help out, rather than just say I should change, then give out your amazing advice instead of complaining about my complaints.

If you think that tubes and piracy are a problem, as do I, then why are you so upset when I point this out... unless of course, you are part of the problem.

If you are the porn gurus you seem to imply, then let me know what mutually beneficial strategies I can incorporate.

I'm all ears... support @ PeckerPass dot com

Otherwise your 2 cents is as useless as my own.

October is a n on horny month

Nobody is pissed at you... but personally I'm sicking of hearing people bitch about tubes, piracy, free porn.. endless bitching for 3 years now.

Free porn isn't going away, piracy isn't going away. It sucks, but it's true.

Think about it, if it isn't going to go away, why care? It sucks, yes.. but, you can't do anything about it.

Then it makes no difference if you think free porn hurts you or not... if you can't stop or control something, if you can't work with it and benefit from it. Then you're probably best off, just moving on and ignoring it.


Some free advice with your program... interact with your surfers and socialize with your members, not just emails. Let them hear from you, your models and staff. Open up your personality with them, invite them to see your world, give them special attention, tell them your stories.

Exactly.

best month this year but it's our first year.. so :helpme

October will be better than September but the last 2 day's have been slow :(