I don't get how shaving makes a program more money... As soon as an affiliate is making less sales then he is used to, he'll leave. How is that a good business decision?

Affiliates aren't stupid, they don't just blinding send thousands of hits to sponsors with no idea what kind of return they should be seeing...

I call BS.. post your proof newb!

I am pretty sure I have seen sales stopped on a NATS account. There is no way to stop an account from recieving sales? Like a suspend button?

if that would be the case most programs out there wouldnt stay in business more than a week, they rely on the weak minded short term thinking people and this industry is full of them.

Having played with nats allot lately and compared it to others, there is no doubt there is no shave feature at all.

Another thing affiliates should remember is if you are pushing a guy that steals from surfers dont assume he wont steal from you.

Wow! that is a source i trust quite a lot. So very cool for NATS.

yeah, that's the only thing which bothers me, almost all programs cheating on surfers are nats based :2 cents:

Closed accounts still count stats, blocked accounts stop traffic (the program doesn't even get them)

I dont work for anyone, i only work for myself as a broker :thumbsup

And almost everyone who cheats users runs Linux servers - CONSPIRACY! :1orglaugh

in ccbill we can check tracking by searching for affiliate's pa into join form source, which means that affiliate is 100% credited for the sale. end of the story.
is there any way to check if billing gets a cookie and is webmaster credited for that?
what stops program owner from adding 3rd, 4th or 5th billing into cascade which don't credit webmaster for those sales?

it's the same thing that every killer uses a car and every killer uses a sniper rifle
catch the difference?

You know you're talking to a guy who takes affiliate-assumed-given memberships and hands them out for traffic on his forums, right?

And yet even in CCBill, you've got webmasters who turn off rebills....

please, don't tell me it couldn't be done in nats

i'm asking about initial sales right now

You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously.
You're not actually smart enough to understand the situation.

Worst part is, with your simplified perception of the situation, you actually think you're an expert on it.

Don't sweat it, it's a well-known phenomenom. Just back out of the thread slowly.

fuck, i know nats as good as possible from affiliate's perspective
and OP's question is from affiliate's perspective

and if you are so smart it should be easy for you to explain how things are going instead of attacking me personally

exactly. I try to avoid programs that have delayed stats

Shave, fraud, "bug" ... whatever.. does the definition really matter? It's bad enough if it really happens...

What I really miss with most tracking systems as affiliate, especially with NATS and ccbill, is an instant email notification, if/when a program change payout rates/pps. That would not only keep you tracked what to "avoid", but also what to push. Same thing with price of the sites, because in the end, it's $/traffic that matters - not the signup ratio itself.

That's the truth. :2 cents:

Holy crap you people are STUPID......

First, it's not NATS. So rather than saying NATS can shave, how about you call the program out for shaving? Stop blaming software that hundreds of us use, and actually call out cheaters.


Second.... again, allllll these people that 'say they can' shave in nats... but none of them have, none of them have actually successfully 'shaved in nats' yet they act like they have experience. Hell, chances are nobody here has EVER tried - but like to say it's possible.


Shaving is when data is manipulated through software, to adjust the sales or money shown.


It's not when a program shuts off postbacks, or changes the program rules.. if it's not a legit error (which do happen) then it's a dirty business owner, that would fuck his mom over for a dime.