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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Apparently you did not watch the video. And 1500 deaths and I am going to risk injecting that shit into my body? lol And I would love to see where you pulled the 55 deaths a year from hot tap water number. Please give us your official reference on that one.
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1500 deaths, yes. And that number will rise as the epidemic spreads. It still won't be a very big risk for most people, but the risk of the flu is far, far greater than that of the vaccine.
But I would strongly advise against injecting the 1976 vaccine into your body, since medicine has moved on. I would also advise against getting a prosthetic hip from 30 years ago. Medicine advances, you know.
As for the deaths from hot tap water:
http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Btw you didn't mention how many were disabled due to the 76 vaccines, unless of course you are cool with being debilitated all of your life?
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Consider the fact that not all claims are actual proven cases, and that GBS has a full recovery rate of 70%-80% within a year, the flawed vaccine from 30 years ago still has a far lower risk than the current swine flu.
And the 1976 vaccine is not what people are getting now.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Also it is now claimed that over 300 have died from gbs that is directly related to getting the vaccine in 1976 and later. 4000 people total were disabled for life.
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It is also claimed that the earth will end in 2012. Claims aren't facts, and looking at empirical data is far more useful than believing anything you want to believe:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/ijlink?...esid=110/2/105
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Why have the normal seasonal flu rates not diminished greatly?
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Flu rates? Do you mean infection rates, complication rates, hospitalization rates, mortality rates?
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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For every 200,000 vaccinations you would save roughly 1 life due to the swine flu..
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Bullshit. The mortality rate is around 0.1%, or 1:1000 - comparable to a typical seasonal flu. Assuming a (really low) prevention rate of 50% in those vaccinated and a (low) infection rate of 10% among the entire population, that would yield one life saved for every 20k vaccinations. In reality however, the prevention rate is quite a bit higher, and the infection rate might well turn out to be a lot higher.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Whats the cost on 200,000 vaccinations? Roughly 5 million dollars.
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Medicine is expensive. Those who feel they aren't worth that much money should definitely avoid vaccinations.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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The seasonal flu vaccine saves maybe 1% of people that would of died without it. 1%.
Lets give it 10% even. That would mean for every 200,000 vaccinations 20 people might live that would not of.
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You suck at statistics.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Governments total death prediction from swine flu is 75,000. How many people die a year from Cancer in the U.S ?
Around 500,000 closer to 600,000.
Kind of puts it in perspective.
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Puts what in perspective? This isn't a choice between dying from either cancer or from the flu.
Drunk driving kills fewer people than cancer, too. Doesn't make it a good idea.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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So even at a 10% rate per 200,000 vaccines would you gamble your life, quality of life on a even 10 in 200,000 chance that it will do you any good?
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Again, you suck at statistics.
Apart from that, you suck at gambling.
Vaccinations have a small risk of saving your life and a very, very small risk of causing you harm. The risk of saving your life, while small, is many times bigger than the risk of causing you harm.
Do you understand the concept of relative risk at all?
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You have a 40 times greater chance to be struck by lightning than the swine flu vaccine actually saving your life.
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Nonsense. Which should be obvious if you consider the number of deaths from swine flu, the number of people among those that would have been saved by a vaccination, and the number of people that get struck by lightning.
Like I said, you suck at statistics.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
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Do you smoke? 440,000 deaths per year attributed in the U.S. due to Smoking.
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Smoking is bad. Swine flu is far safer. Vaccinations are even safer than that. What's your point?
Do you even realize that your lines of reasoning contradict each other?
Swine flu is a small risk, vaccination is a far smaller risk that reduces the small risk from swine flu a great deal.
- It would be rational to consider the risks of both swine flu and vaccination too small to care about, and not get the shot.
- It would be rational to consider the risks of swine flu large enough to care about but not the risk of vaccination, and get the shot.
- It would be rational to consider both the risk of swine flu and the risk of vaccination large enough to care about, and get the shot.
- What is NOT rational is considering the risk of swine flu too small to care about and the risk of vaccination enough to care about.
Enjoy your irrationality :2 cents:
