Well it technically could always be followed along and I made a fortune from it and peoples personal biases. I know already you were into AOL traffic like I was cause we competed if you knew it or not. I wanted as much AOL traffic as possible, while others laughed at me. To me the standard AOL user (hacks aside) had already proven to me that they had a credit card in the house, and was at least willing to type it into their computer. From there we would take AOL traffic and drop them into a free site upselling an AVS site, which was just a larger version of your free site. Good AVS sites rebilled like a mofo as well. From there you upsold your AVS buyers and rebillers to your own personal even larger niche paysite. You were really getting a shit load of bang for the buck content wise. Even when they hit the paysite the would still buy, be it sex toys or unrelated/non competing niches - often through the very same chain yet again of sending them to another AVS.

Not counting rebills, I could typically expect 3-4 purchases out of one customer and they would be HAPPY. Somewhere people got greedy and wanted all of that upfront and would rather just fuck them out of it. Well that and giving to much away thinking more was better. If person A was giving out 15 pictures, just consider how much more traffic you may get if you gave 20, or the HC or the cum shot and so forth.

As someone mentioned already we can never get the genie back in the bottle. Best we can do is find ways to satisfy the consumers in a way they are willing to pay for. Just find it sad that I went from 1:100 with AOL traffic and a customer that would buy 4 times on average and rebill 3-4 times per stage at a minimum (AVS, Paysite) to now where SE traffic is still lucky to be at 1:500 with quality keys and they may rebill twice if your lucky with 1 purchase. As traffic gets more "free" the more fucked the ratio. TGP was 1:500 and now it often is 1:5000 etc. Come to think of it todays SE traffic is yesterdays TGP traffic ratios.

Fucking GFY freezing up.... :disgust

Anyway Doc, I am sure you know your shit for your mainstream porn and decade in the business and can speak at length, and at conferences on your sales pitch idea, and all this and show people how it works.

However, I know how to sell my stuff. Do it well. Bet there is no one who is going to get the same, or better, results then I am getting myself and willing to bet you money on it.

As I said before, I can't speak to all markets in adult online. Nor claim to. However, I can cite from experience, and post numbers to back up what I say. Unlike many in this industry, or on the forums.

So I'll leave you, and your marketing ideas to your mainstream porn niches, and I will stick to what works in my fetish markets. I obviously have no complaints.

Carry on.
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I figure anybody that was around back them competed with me :) AOL traffic was gold. Firstly, they had a CC and secondly they weren't usually savvy enough to know about tgps straight away.

btw..I have some AVS rebills that are near enough 5 years old.

As a note, I work in Niches... not mainstream porn. But, this has nothing to with niches or fetishes though. It never has.

If it did, wow so many of us would be screwed.

You can find general niche sites, with a trickle of traffic/sales with 1:5 ratios. It truly isn't an uncommon thing.

What's uncommon is doing 100+ sales a day and having bad ass ratio, cause nobody is doing 1:5 and 100 sales a day.


This has to do with ways to monetize your traffic - a new way to market... and I know for a fact, you aren't using them and anyone that does, improves, period.

Well, this discussion is just getting started.
Barefootsies has made some very good points and I fully agree that the tube sites have killed the paysites, most of them. Today's savvy surfer searches for porn video tube rather that just porn video and ends up on one of the tube with over a thousand free videos....incredible variety to choose from...no need to download....just mouse over or click for a quick previoew and select from thousands other similar clips. And from hundreds of such tube sites. FREE !!
Of couse some paysites will survive but the writing is on the wall. These tube sites are attracting surfers by the thousands per hour and effectively waeaning them away from paysites whcih are begining to look a bit dated anyways.
Do a search on blacklabel ads or adengage and almost all sites at top in terms of daily surfers are tube sites.
So instead of fighting the current it may be better to ride it....create tube sites with very very little free content but give the users an option to buy and enjoy thousands upon thousands of videos in members area. For eve more charges offer HD content and for a little more they can download the clips as well.
The free tube sites will stay around as well as long as they can monetize the traffic which thanks to mushrooming of ad companies is only going to increase. However a user who sees something specific in a pay tube site will happily pay as long as he can see clearly what he is getting and as long as he does not get it free

oh, and dont forget you too can monetize the freeloaders just like those damn free tube sites...infact this could be a good way to give them a solid run for their money.

lets see some more tube paysites examples

They really did? Weird, that I didn't notice it.

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True dat.

...how were MGPs any different? Other than everyone agreeing to keep it to 20 second clips... I see some FLV hosted galleries with videos up to 6 minutes in length now... :2 cents:

You aint keeping up with the Tubes buddy, there are and have been for a long time tubes that sell premium mmberships and some of them are offering $1.00 day trials, monthly subscriptions.. ect just like a paysite

Indeed fine sire.
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oh yeah but where....thats my question.....show me

trying to do this had these ideas just dont have the resources to scale it :disgust

:Oh crap

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