fiddddeeee rat bastards!

Fiddy One Lace panties.

:disgust

gawdamn! I was just in the process of investing a bunch of time promoting that :mad:

When I started in 98, Amateur Pages was one of the best sponsors and it was dam easy to get banned from them unless you were doing volume sales, even back in 98 if you could send 50+ sales a day there was never a mention of how you achieved that or were you questioned. Once you hit a certain numbers of sales rules no longer applied.

that was me. I always bitched about them. they would do screen grabs of porn films they DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS TO. I called them out and they played some bullshit like they tried to contact me, i left my icq and never heard a peep.

and lets not forget about the crescent publishing rip off

or the guy who took the charter pacific cc black list and used to bang it out on sites that didn't use them as a merchant.

but all that was pre 2002, so most ppl don't know or forget

The problem is DMCA makes it legal to steal.

So people with ethics are saying, "Hey, don't steal, don't steal, it's not right."

While the people who are stealing are saying, "F-you, It's legal. I'm going to keep stealing."

It's only scary if you're afraid to innovate :winkwink:.

In other news, I am launching iPoons next week and I am looking for exclusive online distribution deals. You MUST refer 10 friends or the whole thing will go down in flames!

Well stated ... :2 cents:


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Wow, is that the official opinion of topbucks? I have sent them over 1 MIL of sales in the last 10 years.

If that is, I will make sure to cut the remianing traffic I do send off.

My account is 10262.

Look it up.

:321GFY

So stealing is innovation?

I'm not religious, but last time I checked it was #8 on the list of 10 things you shouldn't do.

:2 cents:

Can you blame Kristin for posting that? All you do is complain and whine and bitch. If you are that disgusted with the industry leave. Did you blow all your money and are in a situation that you can't leave the biz? Seriously the day I feel 1% the way you seem to feel (judging by your posts) I'm long gone. I've made my money and I'll be happily retired and working on becoming a scratch golfer.

No, I sold it to AdultFriendFinder.

Jay isn't "bringing everyone else down with him", that is just wrong to say:2 cents:

he tells it like it is, and his posts are outstanding and real and are always worth reading here :2 cents:

Pure irony.

Sure.

False.

In the process.

Nope saved more than I spent. I lived in a $700 mo apartment the majority of the last 10 years.

Then why are you still posting on GFY?

Thank god somebody gets it. All of you people need to put down the lithium and read this book:

Bright-sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America
http://www.amazon.com/Bright-sided-R...f=cm_cd_f_pb_i

Best book I've read since Freakonomics. Having a positive outlooks when there is nothing to be positive about is harmful.

Being REALISTIC is always better than drowning in phony optimism.

:2 cents:

What actionable conclusion can you make from this?

Run the same ol' website models that worked in 2001... and bleed marketshare 'til you're dead?

I have some great drama unfolding in a fantasy football league. It's a keeper league full of die-hards, so attrition is nearly 0%-- in other words, people don't quit the league; it's been running for years.

This makes future draft picks trade-worthy assets. However, the current rules do not put a limit on the number of draft picks you can obtain-- so one guy, his team already out of contention, maneuvered to grab four 5th round draft picks next year by dumping his best players to the teams still in contention.

This gives the guy an advantage next year over all 11 of his opponents-- not just an advantage over the 3 opponents who traded him draft picks. Long-term, this is not unfair, because any team has the same opportunity, but short-term, it adds HUGE variance. Most of the league agrees that this short-term, year-by-year variance takes away from the fun of the league. So we'll probably vote to make it so only one draft pick can be obtained in trades per season.

However, since the rules have not yet changed -- the commissioner's philosophy is not to amend rules during a season -- that means I'd be a SUCKER not to take advantage of them, otherwise I am just bleeding away my opportunity to win next year.

My team had also fallen out of playoff contention. So, I managed to extract even more value in similar trades than the first guy-- and I slammed the door on the market, as the playoff contenders have mortgaged enough of their future already. And now I'm the villain instead of the douchebag who started it :1orglaugh.

What else can I do? I WANT TO WIN. Do I let the guy with four 5th rounders eat me alive next year? Or go Sun Tzu on his ass (and the rest of the league's) and attack attack attack rather than wait for the rules to catch up?

Agree with that. There was a study done recently where it was observed that people who were forcing themselves to think positively ended up with more negative results 'cause their subconscious knows that they're in shit and no matter how much you tell yourself that 'everything is amazing' deep down you know that it's bullshit.

I'm with you Jay.

This new class of 2009 is scary.
I am almost at the point where I want to tell most of these fucktards to fuck off.

the game has changed for sure.

The innovators are the ones who make SomeCreep's ethical quandary irrelevant.

I don't have a plan for this yet so don't ask me how :1orglaugh.

alt.binaries.porn.pictures

Funniest shit I've heard all day.

Dude, didn't you just shake hands with the biggest crook ever?
No, I shook hands with Bernie Madoff.

Funny shit man, funny shit.

For what it's worth, many industries around the world are on their death beds.

I knew where he was going with that. AFF is probably the only REAL ADULT dating site site on the NET where you might actually get LAID.

If you did a contest where someone joined Fling, AFF, and Sex In Your City to see who got laid first, I don't think there is any question you would score on AFF first. There are way more fake profiles in the competition, so your argument holds no water.

And if I compared Bernie Madoff to Allen Stanford and Kenneth Lay, one would look good in comparison to the others. But they are still all thieves. That bucket hold enough water for you?

But listen man, I'm just speaking my mind. Very few people here would pass up an offer to sell to AFF if they were selling something and AFF were the highest bidder. Just human nature. I'm just sayin, maybe your initial post could be answered by looking inside yourself.

I agree with you... times are tough but have some fuckin respect god dammit. In these hard times we should be helping each other to succeed.

It was not "very common" it just happened on occasion with a few people. More often than not you would not get approved with stolen content, even on an AVS. Yes it helped that there were less people, a small community so to speak. I am not trying to say it was a dream world. I was stolen from back then too. I remember shit like Bianca's smut shack and many others. There just was a solid difference and that really did change with the DMCA laws.

Apic was a third party company some people used. There was also assorted black lists, good - bad - ugly, etc. Though a content shooter or broker could often send an email and get someone turned off affiliate wise.

Just remember to look around and keep in mind - we trained them. Er well at least some people trained them. Be it giving them free everything (hosting, content, scripts, anonymous payment methods, custom work, custom dumps, personal hosted upload crap) you name it. Makes me wonder why it did not take even less time before they figured nothing had any value anyways.

since when was this an industry of moral dignity?

ASM-

We didn't train anyone- we sat back and watched this happen.
Apathy kills.


The most important thing to understand is that we are not alone-
The MPAA is hurting
recording industry is hurting as well from torrents and file sharing.

Until there is something done to combat thieves from overseas, there is nothing more you can do.

These safe havens for criminals should be blown up or completely blocked by ISP's here in the US.

It sucks and I only have one answer on how to thwart people frmo downloading illegal files and going to tube sites.

The only problem is that no one here will fund me and my ideas which I think can work given my resources to the media
They will all wait until they see someone else comes forward and does it.

Copycats and apathetic losers are abound

Jay you have always been cool in my book.
Best of Luck in whatever you choose to do

Cheers
Red

Yep, some of our best webmasters we have members access to to cut videos for TGP are now uploading the whole videos to the illegal tube and not so much as bothering to link through.

This whole game has become idiotic.

:2 cents:

What do you expect? Look at some of the characters that have been involved from the start, and then place the rest of the blame on the idiots that thought that TGP sites, and then most recently tube sites, were good ideas.

These fuckers that run these things had to resort to giving away porn because they couldnt be successful at getting traffic any other way.

it has always been this way man not really surprised tbh like any other business it has its bad peas

I do this exact same thing myself!! :thumbsup

You simply recognize that it is a brilliant strategy and go cry in your beer. There is no rule against it. He is basically taking a season in the shitter to build a better future. Something I am sure the NFL teams could do easily.

Just as the contenders want to win NOW. They pay a premium for that. Draft picks. So you want it this year, and he'll take it next. If the greed for this year did not exist, he would not get anyone willing to trade away everything for it.

Hate the game. Not the player.
:pimp

This industry is full of complainers and whiners and less action takers... :2 cents:

It's not going to happen in an industry full of mercenaries.
:2 cents:

True dat.

Now go make a tube thread, grab a beer and cry in it.

While I 100% agree with your original post that this industry just gets worse and worse with ethics, and it will continue this way for a while, I am completely shocked you did biz with AFF who have been holding people's rebills for ransom for a decade, who IMO single handily enabled 90% of all the illegal sites, tube sites, stolen pics sites, amateur CP sites to exist and flourish..

AFF were almost exclusively on every single illegal site a few years back almost alone because all other sponsor programs would immediately ban the affiliates for having illegal sites. AFF saw a way to make it big by getting in bed with the shady fucks, and IMO they legitimized all of them and are at the root of all the evil you bitch about in your very correct threads. /rant

And I did a test of the personals a few years back and I actually got laid of sexsearch before AFF :thumbsup


Fuck AFF, and you need to repent for profiting from them!

Im lost...

What's a scratch golfer?

Looking it up now.

really? Thanx for emailing me and letting me know! :Oh crap

can you plz email me with more details plz? [email protected]

It's clear you have had a ad experience with them.

Their money is a green as everyone else's. They outbid the competition fair and square.

I have no issue with AFF.

here Jay the #1 rip-off of all time, adstats,owed me 200k and other MILLIONS felt safe redirecting to AFF when he dissapeared:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=420034

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh man, come on, tell me you didn't black out the whole Zango times did you?

lol, forgot about ZANGO-AFF deal too....

yes Jay, they were like a little tick on the back of the industry getting fat sucking the blood of our hardwork popping their own ZANGO ads over our banners...

money is money, just hard to take the highroad when doing biz with AFF

AFF was also owned by completely different people at that time.

:2 cents:

Always bitched about them. they would do screen grabs of porn films they and soo on

I miss those guys.
:xomunch