damn, it couldn't be any more simple
epoch stats programs have an option to pay on its own (not via epoch), so they just get payment from epoch and then decide how to pay their webmasters. i'm saying that webmasters should know which epoch stats programs are paying via epoch (so there's a merged check for all epoch paying programs promoted by webmaster) AND WHICH ARE PAYING ON ITS OWN.

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So you want a new column in the stats with a checkmark if they are paid via epoch.

who the hell knows what that idiot wants.

exactly.

No, it is very true. You can not compare scrubbing and declines against down right problems, late pays, and tech issues.

The search is your friend. Use it.

Lets see, I've used ccbill for 8 years on over 50 sites. Epoch was nothing but problems. I've seen more sponsors drop Epoch than any other biller. CCbill is SUPERIOR in every way. If you've been in the industry for more than a couple of years, you'd know about this.

If that is lying, then so be it.

If you use Epoch as your primary biller, you can run MPA3 for free. Epoch makes the payouts. As far as you paying out if you offer a PPS option, that is news to me.

That seems to be a common thread. CCbill, though not void of issues, kicks Epoch's ass any day of the week. Webmasters simply trust them more. I believe surfers do too.


I rest my case.

Um, wouldn't affiliates be getting a check from a sponsor -- or wire, etc -- for their sales so they would know they were being paid directly by the sponsor?

Interesting, I've been in this business longer than you have, was in management at CCBill for a couple of years and still don't know about this.

I would say that CCBill and Epoch have different business models in many ways and each attracts a different sort of client, and they always have done so. Some like Epoch, some like CCBill. Some don't like CCBill, some don't like Epoch.

More billing options has always been a good thing in this industry; anyone who has been in it more than a couple of months, they'd know about this.

If that is lying, you are a fool.

sponsors die these days faster than even
out of 40,000 ccbill client accounts, only 3,000 are alive. do the math

Being able to payout directly to affiliates if I switched to PPS was an option offered to me, but I usually promote revshare programs and SpookyCash was a CCBill revshare program I was migrating and I didn't want to change to much. I wanted to pay direct because I found that many of my really good CCBill affiliates had no idea how big a part of their CCBill checks were SpookyCash sales.

The weird thing is that Daizzzy says Rand told him that any EpochStats MPA3 program might either be Epoch payout or program payout and there is no way for the affiliate to tell which is which.

Only I can't get Rand to email me back and clarify what the actual situation is. Which is kinda freaking me out, given that I run an Epoch-powered program and all. I'm guessing he is just on vacation for Thanksgiving and I will hear back after.

if i'm not wrong, Rand works for billing, not affiliate part
anyway i've posted his icq above, try to reach him there. i guess he was just nice to ask that appropriate person at epoch for me and brought me that answer.

and btw i completely can't get your point on payment for your program. any webmaster could check his stats for your program and know how much he's getting from you. the same with ccbill

they have also had previous version of epochstats, maybe that option was for that version and it haven't migrated to a new one which is currently active

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I used Epoch for quite a while, years in fact. Then I need to make a simple change to my account and was treated like a total asshole by them. So I pulled them off my site entirely and will never use them again.

I mean, it was my experience running a CCBill-powered program that many webmasters who promoted CCBill programs didn't really keep track of which ones were the real sellers. They just sort of, I don't know, used the Force to decide what they thought was selling.

There are tools like StatsRemote and NiftyStats, which make it easier for affiliate webmasters to see where their bread is buttered, but the CCBill admin can get pretty convoluted for webmasters who promote a lot of programs and it does not have a way to view $ for all time or really any very extended time period.

alright, now it makes me lol
i've promoted dozens of ccbill programs (and now it's thousands but on smaller scale for each) and i know how much each of them is paying me.
and btw i'm not using statsremote or nifty stats

Aren't all of the programs within the Epoch affiliate admin paying out via EPOCH and all not being paid by EPOCH have their own affiliate program?

If you are not using Stats Remote you are not taking your business seriously...

And it is a right off...

no, that's the whole point of this thread
programs with epoch affiliate admin can pay on its own

and i have no idea what do you mean by that
is it something like atkcash has before migrating to mpa3? anyway there's no such thing

That is what I thought was correct for all revshare Epoch programs. (PPS has other options.)

What system do you use to keep track of your performance with thousands of CCBill programs, not using StatsRemote or NiftyStats?

at the end of each month i go to ccbill, grab monthly stats and click 'Affiliate' on the left. that's the whole magic

and if there's a need to get stats for a specific program, just set it into 'Linked Affiliate' on the bottom of 'transactions' page

daizzzy stop acting like you have a clue about this business

you're a retarded fuck up at life, fuck off

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fuck off jayvis, everyone here know who you really are

selling your nick was the only deal you made here and ever

Not surprised.

Not to say that my dick is bigger than yours, but I used to work with legends like John Holmes, back when they still used film and men didn't have Viagra to keep their cocks hard. In case you don't know who he was, lets say it was long before the Internet was created, and long before CCbill and the other online billing companies even knew they were going to exist.

Having said that, search any board over the past few years, Epoch takes the prize for having the most problems of just about any biller.