Hey, come on now. Red Dawn was a great movie...



...Back in 1984.


:1orglaugh

Wolverinesssss!!

Even their bad movies making a killing on DVD sales. And also Foreign distribution.

everybody is going broke nowadays, why wouldn't they too?

Funny how everyone is going broke and yet this month the most profitable indie movie was released, grossing 97 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranor...ce_performance

With the piracy running rampant the box office doesn't seem to be doing all that bad either
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart...9-11-14&p=.htm

Movies are still making millions per day. We built up the culture of movie celebs earning millions per movie, time for the bubble to burst and to start to fucking innovate. Instead of superstars getting paid millions per movie perhaps they should suck it up and get paid something more reasonable. Which will still be $100+/hour.

Dinosaurs die. Too bad. I don't feel bad for MGM going broke at all.

its like saying no one is doing bad financially because some guy in a trailer won the 150 million dollar lotto

piracy is destroying entire industries, those doing it are yelling it isnt, paying celebs big bucks is a tiny % of what is causing movie production houses to lose money

You missed one, those turning a blind eye to the truth secretly are pirates wanting to horde the money.


Piracy fueled the growth of Music, Movies, Games and Software over the last 15 years.

These Industries have not 'reduced' in size, they have grown, EXTREMELY grown, along with Piracy. As Piracy continues to grow, and these Industries continue to grow.

Something dropping, like DVD sales is not a sign of Piracy. It's a sign of new technology, even more so when it can be proven that Digital Sales and Rentals hurt the DVD business.

This is one example of many...


You may want to "research" your theory some more.

Meh, Blair Witch did $140+ million pre-social media. Paranormal is only most profitable in terms of %, which given Blair Witch only cost $50k more to make tens of millions more and in 1999 before a MySpace, Facebook, Twitter or YouTube could really be used to more easily viral it online...

I think if not for f'd up economy, piracy etc. it could have done a lot better given how successful their marketing was.

When a studio lists one of its top properties as the Pink Panther movies, well that says a ton right there. Who would even bother to pirate that?

Lets talk about the porn industry itself, less money is spent now then ever on porn memberships and porn DVD's, is piracy not a factor?

Music industry, same talent of today who ear a million a month would be earning 10 million a month pre internet file sharing days.

What the fuck are you talking about?

You know something nobody else knows, companies spend millions fighting file sharing yet maybe if they would have a chat with you they will realize that they should push people to steal their shit so they can make more money.

Countries are passing serious laws against file sharing, shouldn't music and movie companies be pissed, according to you thats whats making them the money.

There is only so much time in the day, if someone spends an hour a day watching a stolen movie thats a hour that will never be replaced with him watching something he should of paid for.

I know im talking to a wall and I wont change your view as its obviously your business to help those who steal, but im sure others here reading would like to see both viewpoints.

over Fitty Broke Responses .....

Thanks for the "deep" analyze... have you ever considered that it's the opposite way around? :1orglaugh

Serves them right for making a remake of Fame. What in the fuck were they thinking? Oh this will work because of Step, Up and every other lame ass dance bullshit?

MGM make simply awful films

The most common long-term projections:
Gaming industry: expected to double in size in the next 10 years.
Film industry: slow growth over the next 10 years.
Music industry: significant losses over the next 10 years.

MGM is failing because it made some seriously bad choices, not because of piracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...yn-Mayer_films <- note the lack of hits in recent years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...grossing_films

who cares. these studios have been churning out brain dead garbage for the braid dead for years now.

if they all went under it would be a blessing and might even raise the iq of the population a point or two.

good riddance.

you don't know what you are talking about, major artist are making more money today becuase to things like corporate sponsorship of their live tours, mainly because they don't have to take an ass raping (90% off the top) to the record companies.

it only the clueless talent who lets the control them that are losing out, the smart talent realize that 5-10% commission (radio head) on their ticket sales thru their affiliate link is worth way more than the entire value of the album (they made more from the free downloads because of these commission then they would have made if they sold them at full price thru the label).

steve albini wrote a great piece about how the music industry rips off musicians


http://www.permanentrecordstudios.ne...mwithmusic.pdf

But that isn't the case, from reports/research you can purchase yourself along with Court records with the mpaa and others, fighting piracy... proof given that new piracy/growth in piracy in regions, sparks massive growth in entertainment related sales. As new 'easy to use' piracy has been created, more growth has happened.

People that pirate spend money.... people that extreme pirate, are collectors. They buy the most of everything.


It's not my "deep" analysis... you can find the research online. You can pirate the paid stuff if you don't want to spend the money.

this is the reason why the RIAA is pissed at "piracy"

because they know that if artist realize that you can treat bit torrent like the "radio" cut the record companies out of the loop and pay for the production themselves (which they are doing out of their 10% anyway) they will make way more money.

clueless morons who blindly accept the RIAA propoganda that filesharing is "hurting" the artist

all it is doing is killing their ass rape the artist business model., and all i can say is about fucking time.

Lol if piracy only makes things better, why not to simply legalize it? Why ya'all piracy supporters keep saying you're against copyright infringement, and then list all of your pro-piracy arguements.

If it's so good, let's just abolish copyright laws for the sake of the greater benefit of the human race.

Who needs all of that hilarious bullshit "hey we're against copyright infringement, but see how good the piracy is". Just get it straight.

The White House is too busy paying back political favors to the SEIU and the UAW..

We do not need to research much. Just go to all the earlier comments about pirate bay becoming a "pay" site, and you'll read that no one is/was willing to pay a dime. Just like you, they argued that pirates paying for the stuff. But when they face it, they are not even willing (or able) to pay a few bucks per month... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh:thumbsup

I thought that Sony bought MGM for a $5 billion a few years ago?

Clearly you haven't done any research and you keep assuming....

Take some time, do some searches, use places like Jupiter Research and read things like...

"It is safe to say that active usage of online music content is one of the best predictors of increased consumer purchasing," Aram Sinnreich wrote in the report. He's talking about all music, pirated, traded, purchased, etc..


Check over markets in other countries and in N. America... find that digital growth is took over, live shows are growing... shifts in markets do not mean problems, as 2005 year end stats show.

This is a baby amount of data... you can find 10,000's of hours of research data to go through. I'm more amazed these industries are still growing... that's not normal, even though we all like to pretend it is.

What's an odd stat to find is the Countries that have hardcore piracy laws and enforce them, also have the slowest growth in the movie, music, game and software Industries.


Oh yeah, it's not like Pirate Bay is going to have some higher % of buyers than the rest of the net, which is actually remarkably low if you ask them if they would pay for something that is normally free. But if you ask how many have purchased music/movie or games in the last 6 months, it's not so low.....

The statistics are telling a different story, all over the world.

I'm not saying piracy makes everything better...some piracy is extremely bad. But you have to look at piracy at more than one way.

I understand real piracy is like software/music, etc when they duplicate a single copy and resell it as an original to unsuspecting buyers, suppliers and stores. That's nasty....

The piracy on torrents, tubes, newsgroups, forums is duplicated piracy. The original owner still profited from the original sale... the product isn't sold as an original or normally even sold, it's traded, in general people aren't profiting from the duplicated item as a resold-original. That isn't say some aren't making money, just not from selling your product as the original.

Like it or not, these are different types of piracy (2 of I think 6) and the frame set of the people doing the piracy, buying it or selling, are extremely different.



1 million people got kicked off xbox for pirating a game, after buying an xbox, subscribing to a monthly system and of course buying other games... point, pirates spend money.

Piracy sucks... but it's not going away... 3 years of bitching and it grew. So I suggest everyone takes the time to learn more about it, start understanding it and finally learn how to profit from it in your own ways.

The crash of the DVD market caught many of these studios by surprise. Most studios used to get buoyed up by DVD sales. Can't rely on those anymore.

Paying the same for something worth less DOES cause profit loss.

stealing equals more sales..???

Dude, the first "research" you are refering to, is 8-9 years old, so it's useless. Back in those times you also had stuff like mp3.com where "amateurs" actually made some money off publishing their work online. But all that was destroyed when piracy came along on bigger scale. Today you can download almost any album in 10 seconds from a huge database like pirate bay, and pirates are not paying for a download they already did for free..

The second report is 5 years old, and let me learn you some basic math; Percental change is not the same as change in units. The total value show a bigger decrease in physical sales, than the total value of digital downloads. This is of course maybe because of price difference, but there is nowhere it says the smaller increase in legal digital downloads is "caused by pirates". The increased amount of humans and surfers is the main cause, along with technology. Without piracy, the numbers would probably be much much much.. higher.

You are assuming too much with your "correlations" - or just repost manipulated pro-piracy propaganga. :)

surprise you and your fucked up way of thinking, another stupid asshole that makes money off someone elses work

one by one everyone is losing money to those that steal from them, more ways to advertise today then ever but the same singers who'd make 100 million a year in if it was 1985 are making 5 million now, so many have to come out of retirement because the royalty checks became a joke.

This is the only business where assholes like you who steal and help others steal can sit behind a computer and act as if you are doing everyone else a favor.

bullshit

name one artist who made 100 million a year ( that 1 billion a year in gross sales ) that has had to come out of retirement because the royalty checks are a joke.


the old 1985 contracts screwed the artist royally, they made all their money off the tours not royalties.

an established artist comming out of retirement today releasing the songs independently can make more money without the studios just cashing in their previously paid for fame (remember promotion cost are charged out of their 10%).

radio head proved it they made more money from every free downloader (because of the affiliate commissions on their tour ticket sales) then they would have made selling them the album at full price.

Many of their fans paid full price (got to keep 10 X the royalties) and the average price netted them 4.65 times the income (including the free downloads as zero-- see above).


the 90/10 split and you pay all the cost out of your share bullshit is what is dying i can't believe you are trying to defend that ass raping as "protecting the artist".

Umm... to see a trend you have to look at many years in a pattern... So you have to go backwards..


Anyway, I posted an example... one of 10,000 I said... It's really simple, stop being a lazy shit stain and go research more info yourself....

Rather than pretending like you have a clue making yourself look like a moron.

You mean the only business where people can accuse others of false realities and keep their teeth too, because they are on a forum


Why don't head back to the business where you copied everyone else's ideas, and you do steal them to this day... and call them your own empire. Because of you, people like AFF had to do more.

2004 Total Movies Released: 567 Total Combined Gross: $9,327,315,935
2005 Total Movies Released: 594 Total Combined Gross: $8,825,324,278
2006 Total Movies Released: 808 Total Combined Gross: $9,225,689,414
2007 Total Movies Released: 1022 Total Combined Gross: $9,665,661,126
2008 Total Movies Released: 1037 Total Combined Gross: $9,705,677,862
2009 Total Movies Released: 1177 Total Combined Gross: $7,596,626,766
(2009 figures incomplete, total movies scheduled to be released, gross to date)
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Looks like the movie industry is doing OK. Despite piracy. Odd?

Maybe MGM should have just not made such SHIT films and then they wouldn't be in this mess?

Last title? A remake of 80s hit FAME.

It is THAT to blame, not fucking piracy.

Great post... I'm afraid it has falling on 'blinded' deaf ears around here.

I know 2 guys personally, who're both musicians and were able to pull a decent living for over a decade by just recording and selling CDs. They do not tour, and never do any live events - they just create and record music. Maybe they're not your typical artists, but that's how they work and earn their money, by recording and selling CDs - and they have every right in the world to live the life they choose.

Both of them were hit by piracy BADLY. Their CDs do not sell anymore because they're freely available at any torrent site, and they do not do live events to make it up for the lost income. None of the two is recording any new music anymore and have to earn their living through other means.

Torrents and other file sharing sites can be a cool way of promotion for artists, when they want it, and when it's THEIR choice. What pisses me off is that none of the artists has any choice any more - the damn thieves are holding them all for ransom. It's either "free music and make money touring" model or "just fuck off we'll steal your music anyway". Copyright laws are not worth shit nowadays because they're not enforceable - them worthless parasites are holding us all for ransom, and trying to legitimize themselves by pointing to a few success stories where artists were able to use their godaweful sites for promotion.

I really HATE thieves, those lowlife scammers who're cannot create anything original to save their worthless lives, bubbling their delusional pro-piracy arguements, when I see it with my own eyes - two great musicians, two great pesonalities and good friends of mine, are now going down the low road, have to keep to low profile jobs because they're not really suitable for anything else in life except for creating music, start drinking, and have their lives ruined by piracy... Not to mention our own industry which is now only a shadow of it's former self.

For every torrent site success story, there's a dozen lives RUINED by that same torrent site. There's only ONE pro-piracy arguement - if I cannot run my torrent site, I'll have to go back to flipping burgers because I'm worthless parasite and my only chance in life to pull some decent living is to rip talented people off.

so 2 artist out of millions are not able to make money from selling records only, justify screwing over millions of artists in 90/10 split. Funny part is those contracts are so totally screwed up that the artist have to pay the record companies money 90% if they sell the song on their own site.

they do all the work and get nothing for it.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/...-Off?art_pos=3

bands like the eagles are actually considering revoking the copyright of their work (filing revokation notices) to force their music in the public domain so they can actually make money from their own self promotion.

That is a very sad new...