Yes we do. Her name is Tracy and this is what she is checking into right now. She was not available this afternoon when I wrote this.

ty Shelly, I could not have said it better
Steve

So why did you steal, frottage?

think of all the valuable internet you have waste with this thread

I doubt anyone running a cam site sees that as anything other than normal "shit that happens" day to day. If thats it and you see it as stealing you will drive yourself nutz if you get more models. My data logs spit out an amazing list of things to deal with.

Just as a matter of interest....I have been trying to find a site doing well with this software.... is there one and what is it?

Our own demo site, LiveCamNetwork.com, did $22,945 in retail sales in January, not counting mbase. I know the kings like MFC probably do 10 times more than this. Smart cookies.

I'd be pissed if I was one of the other sites in Mark's network that sent the customer in and was making money from it just to have a chathost/another owner steal the customer and cut me out of the picture so they could make more of the money.

Most owners wouldn't care because in this case Mark still makes the same. However, even though he makes the same he was trying to protect his other clients.

So just because you and other people want to dismiss those type of activities as "oh well shit happens" why don't you cut the person who is trying to run a tight ship some slack for doing the right thing and trying police his site the way other cam sites should be doing.

Your probably right and we do talk to owners of studios doing things like that but if I considered that stealing and cut peoples licenses up then I would probably have 4 models online instead of 1087 at the moment. There is no "owners manual" or guide book to running a cam site but I have always found it better to educate and work with studios rather than exterminate.

Your position is obvious and I admire you want to help your friend but at first look his software is superior to most I have seen with the exception being MFC. So why doesnt he have more studios running white labels (sorry thats about what they are) than he has? The next question is why so many conflicts between him and his licensees..... and I all I ask is show me 1 site doing well. His annual figure now changed to january of $22,945 isnt exactly getting me there. I would call that a bad day on 1 domain.

How can superior (at this point) software deliver low sales and angry people.

I am tired of this never ending post, but since you are casting doubt on my integrity I will answer one last time. Nobody stole your customers. Most of those people were prospective customers Jasmine secured through her blogs on different social networks. Jasmine was told by me to never solicit a customer from LCN or any sister sites period. Also one of your customers was so upset after the fiasco in Montreal he came over on his own volition. A few other customer came over because they logged in her blog which of course had the name of my site. I have never and would never steal a customer.

Now for your accusations that I was cheating other site owners. Let me remind you who created the "Book A Show" concept- me. I am amazed that after 12 years in business you did not have this function. Anyway, I worked with Greg on this, and anytime someone wanted to chat with a girl, any girl on the network, this function was activated if the girl was not online. Now the customer could do two things: either continue on to the main site page or book a show with the girl. The emails came to me, and what did this low-life model stealer do Mark? I took my time and copied the request for shows, logged into your admin BBS and went to the thread I created and shared the information with all the site owners. Does that sound like I intended to steal any of your customers?

You allude to my being banned on boards- where was I ever banned on a board like this?

Now please wire me the damn money ,and get back go work on our own site. I have a new partner with whom I enjoy working and this is becoming annoying.

One last thing.I did pay new customers that Jasmin secured from the social networks $20.00. I don't see this as a mistake! To secure a customer who is already into a model for $20.00 makes sense to me, and you agreed it was good marketing when we discussed this

If you say this one more time I will write you a prescription- you are perseverating.

I don't know if we are friends but I respect him anyway. We have had .. differences... on other boards in the past. :)

Thank you.

I wouldn't call it a white label for several reasons. However, I do wish that we had a white label that we could give away for free. I would consider this a major goof on our part. I recently gave the mandate to our programmers to build a pure white-lable version of LiveCamNetwork but it's easily 3-4 months away at least.

Sorry, I ran out of time.

LiveCamNetwork.com's gross retail minutes sold for 2010 were $257.640.60 , not including sales to mbase. Our gross retail minutes sold for January 2011 was $22,945.40.

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That's my point. It's not the software, it's how its used. The best way to imagine LiveCamNetwork software is as if it were a "Streaming video accounting system". All it can do, is produce numbers based on what is streamed through it, and how many people pay to consume the streams. Nothing more.

Frottage / Steve: You came to this forum complaining about me, my company and my software and threw up some nasty comments and lies. I answered your challenges and now I am asking you again. If you can't answer the question then you should refrain from posting any more comments.

[QUOTE=**********;17936970]Why Steve? What are you hiding?[/Quote Read the post already- I am done mark- over and out!!

If nobody is making a success using it I can only assume one of two things
1/. You are not educating them. If you are selling a franchise then go write a manual on how to follow the path.
or

2/. The costs, charges, rules, more costs give them little chance or hope.

Anyway...had to ask but I would have to say based on numbers complaining and total lack of any site , thats not yours, doing well I just dont see what they are paying for. They can set up a white label AWE or similar.....run their own models and have their affiliate tag on the site....no license fee and doesnt that achieve the same result without all the drama, cost and time.....because thats about all I see here.

Run, forest!

http://www.gofuckyourself.net/showpo...45&postcount=4

Click the above link to see The Great Will76 promoting 2Much.net without ever buying Mark's license. Nah, no conflict of interest there, Will76 isn't Mark's paid hack at all. He is just here to help educate us, for the good of the community. Thank you for your charity and thoughtfulness, Will!

You exaggerate, 99.9% of models (only 4 out of 1087) don't try to steal from the cam site they are working on. Although, not to sound crude, but your site is all asians so maybe the percentage is a higher amount with that ethnic group.

Mark is not my friend. I have never met him nor done business with him and I am pretty sure I have pissed him off a few times. I have no dogs in this fight I just call it like I see it and use common sense and experience. I looked at his software 4 years ago pretty thoroughly and decided it wasn't for me.

Just a white label? What he offers is much more than a white label *IF* the person using it actually takes advantages of the features. All A white label is the parent company's cam site with your name slapped on top and some different colors, on your domain. Period. With Mark's solution you can control and manage your own chat host. Your chat host cam make money from other people in the network not just your traffic. If are trying to start your own cam site but don't have the hundreds of thousands to hire programmers buy lots of expensive hardware etc... then you can start small with his solution and still have your own cam site. If you only have a few chat host starting off, when yours are offline there is always others on, so your site never goes with out having chat host live. Something that you would fighting if you started your own cam site with a $269 script :1orglaugh You can also have your own merchant account with his solution vs a white label.

Now if someone pays all of the license fees and monthly charges and doesn't put any chat host online and doesn't make many or any sales, then yeah it is just a white label TO THEM because they aren't using all of the functions it offers. Those people should have done a white label from the start but it is their own damn faults.

You asked a two part question " How can superior (at this point) software deliver low sales and angry people. "

Angry people: They are angry because they purchased something that they thought they wanted but come to find out it didn't fit their needs. This was their own damn fault for not knowing what THEY needed.

You might be able to understand it better this way. If 100 people go get a white label site, lets say 95 will still fail. Why? because they didn't generate traffic and make sales, their work ethic sucked, or maybe they just sucked all together.. it happens ALL THE TIME. Do you ever hear those 95 people crying on GFY... maybe a few but hardly ever do you hear any of the affiliates who used a white label cry because they didnt make lots of money and quit... Take the same people that were going to fail no matter what (have no concept of running a business much less the ability to generate traffic and make sales) and now have them shell out a couple thousand dollars to get started plus monthly fees. 95% of them are going to be pissed when they fail. They not only failed but it cost them money to fail and while they were failing they were paying monthly fees. They then feel like they were scammed. Failures blame everyone else, never themselves. I can't learn from your mistakes if you think you never did anything wrong.

Why isn't mark doing better with a superior product? Because there is A LOT more to a successful cam business than the software platform. Software is just one small component. What is more important is traffic (sales) and chat host and the perfect harmony you need from both of them. Mark's site has never had more than 4-5 girls on it on avg. How does the site make money?? from cam sales. When you only have a couple chat host on it stifles sales because the selection is terrible. I would rather choose from 100 chat host than 5. If I don't like those 5 chat host I leave. Also only having 5 online makes a site look dead. You can only collect so much in sales when you just have a couple girls working at a time .

Now at the same time, quality is much much better than quantity, but you really need both to be successful. The lion share of any cam sites sales will come from its whales. The 10% of customers who will spend 90% of the sales. In order to get whales you need a lot of quality chat host that are pros and can turn the customers into whales and make them fall in love with them (retain them). It's tough to do that when you have 4-5 chat host on. Whales might land on his site all the time, not see a chat host they like and they are off to the next site. He needs a bigger net to catch them and keep them.

You are a complete fucking moron. I am not endorsing or promoting them. I just told someone to check them out. I also gave them word of caution. Not only are you a complete failure for not listening to people and learning from other, more successful people but you spend all day trying to find *shit* on people so you can try to justify in your head that the everyone else must be failures too.

How you like these apples? I've generated over 150,000 credit card joins to just clickcash in the last 10 years and grossed several million in sales. So you can go dig up some old posts I made or a website I had a programmer toss together 3 years ago that I thought out while I was taking a crap and never did anything with it and point to that with your "haha! you don't know anything " comments and keep making your failure self feeling better if that floats your boat. If you had an ounce of fucking intelligence you would be trying to learn from others not try to discredit them because your idiotic brain doesn't like the honest truth they are telling you. '

Now kindly fuck off, you are going on ignore. I am an idiot for wasting 5 mins of my time on your pathetic ass.

And you call that great success? In 10 years? :1orglaugh

That's why you were holding up a Will Work For Food sign here after being banned for shooting your mouth off like you're doing now: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/919450-will76-post-looking-hire.html

No, you don't know Mark, and he's not paying you to post this nonsense!

Thanks for teaching me about cam sites. I built and own the one with all the Asians on it and pretty much you are clueless.

Very well said. Thank you, Will76. This sums up the issues perfectly.

Mark...if you and Will have all the answers why do you have a 0% success rate with your licenses?

Damn this was a good read... hard to think i just read the whole thread

In 3 months the Cliff Notes will be out:1orglaugh

We don't. Actually, as "LiveCamNetwork.com", we have lots of success. We wrote our own software, obtain our own traffic, hire our own models, do our own payroll, make our own profit, etc. A nice tiny, self contained world without plugging in to a white label. Our only dependancy are 3rd party billers.

What we offer to is to show others who are interested how we do it. We license the exact same software that we use, and we offer generous amounts of our time to show everyone exactly what we do.

We offer to let them use our models to get started, and if they hire their own models, we offer to promote them on our own site, as long as they fit within our own parameters that work for us. (For example: Female, fun, sexy, outgoing, entertaining, strong personality, and talks by voice).

There is no mystery here, and we are completely transparent and open about everything we do to make money, and we show people like Frottage EXACTLY what to do to be just like us.

People can do their own thing of course and they may make alot more than we do, but of course they may make alot less too.

It is really nothing more complex than that.

Regards,
Mark Prince

Still trying to find shortcuts instead of doing real work I see.

LOL i'm not trying to teach you a damn thing. You posed a "question" about why things turned out the way they did for Mark's company and why his site wasn't huge since he had good software.

I gave some reasons, rather detailed I may say, of why I thought it might have turned out the way it did for him. Your response is "I'm clueless". Nice, very well articulated and full of substance argument there. Thanks for pointing out important stuff like WHY? WHY do you disagree, WHY do you think I am clueless. You are the one that ask the fucking question, you get a nice educated reply and your response is smart ass. :upsidedow

Asking for a second time....why do you have a 0% success rate with Licenses....show me 1 Licensee doing well

Oh look, another smart ass reply.

I can't remember ever talking to Mark before in the past although we probably have at some point. Just because I can give reasons why I think his situation turned out the way it did doesn't mean that he will agree with me much less take my advice and act on it.

It sounds like Mark spends a lot of time trying to license his software (look how much time he spent in this thread). Perhaps he should take that time and build up his own cam site more and get more girls on it and more traffic / spenders. From what he posted here it sounds like he made a decent amount of sales last year on his own. I bet he could double that if he wasn't focusing his time on dealing with noobs and trying to make money from license sales.

I am sure I am not telling you things you don't know but starting a cam site with quality chat host is tough because you have to have the perfect mix of spenders and chat host on or it will never take off. If you have more traffic and not enough chat host you wasting traffic/money. If you have a lot of chat host and not enough spenders the QUALITY chat host leave. Now if you had a site full of cheap, shitty girls who are happy to make .50 an hour, and all they know how to say is "hi bb" " you like bb" then it is much easier because they happy making shit and will never leave. BUt i think Mark would prefer working with quality chat host and not cheap crap, even though it makes your job easier because you can put 100 of them on for pennies on the dollar, but they suck so bad in the long run they not going to retain many whales and never make you a lot of money from a site full of shit.

lol i don't think you read the "whole thing" because I thought you had me on ignore :winkwink:

I am amazed at your total lack of knowledge but you seem to be doing a good job of tag teaming some guys who are down..... I dont like that

We don't have 0% success rate. But even if we did, you aren't asking the right question.

The correct question should be: What is your (potential customer's) success rate in previous businesses?

If your business failed, would you blame it on Quickbooks? Why not? LiveCamNetwork is quickbooks with video.

My point is, it's not our software that fails some of our customers. It is them themselves. I don't mean to sound cruel. I am saying that regardless of the software, there are hundreds of other properties that affect any businesses and its ultimate success or failure.

This was Frottage's first venture into the online adult business world. He thought he knew everything, but he didn't.

If you only knew the dealings we had with these idiots. Our own end-users call these girls the "bb" girls because thats all they know how to say. Even worse, the site owners who hire these morons wonder why BB girls don't convert.

Unlike you, When I am "tearing down" someone I am also helping them (if they choose to listen). I *EXPLAIN* why I am saying what I am saying so maybe they will step back and look at the situation from a non biased third party who actually knows a little more than they do.

You on the other hand are just a piece of shit that wants to insult people, period. You are a LOT worst than I am, i just tell people helpful things that unfortunately some people don't want to accept. You on the other hand just throw out insults.

+ 3 replies insulting me saying I don't know anything but giving shit to support why you think that? What specific parts am I so clueless on ?


Some people in this thread are so close minded they have to assume that just because I disagree with them and mostly agree with Mark, they I have to be paid by Mark, because how could anyone see it any other way then they do. Or they have to assume because I offered to consulting that means I am broke or what the fuck ever. Or that I actually made sites in the past that didn't make a lot of money then I must be a failure too. Never mind the fact I have made tons of sites and done a lot of projects that didnt make me money. Every time I accepted responsibility and learned from it. I sought out advice from others who knew more than me. Just like I would love to hear why you think I am clueless about something because you may be right and I may be wrong, but no, you just want to make insults.

What you dont know is how to run a cam site...... or the realities of a cam site. But you are quick to tear down guys that had a go but just didnt stand a chance. I am still waiting to see 1 successful licensee of this product.

Dude I already answered your question. Our own site, LiveCamNetwork.com, is the most successful use of our software and has been for years. If you want to know more (alot more) go buy or rent Webdreams Seasons 1 and 2 and watch the whole thing. You will learn alot more about us.

Or just check out http://www.showcase.ca/webdreams

Ok then? Goodnight.

How do you know that I haven't been involved with a cam site as an owner and/or worked with owners and saw every single thing from fraud prevention, chat logs, to spending habits, which chat host made the most... I've had tons of access and been involved more than you can imagine or know.

Never mind in the past I have owned an ran my own cam house probably before you were even online.

But since you ASSUME I don't know anything about running a cam site, please kindly educate me instead of just being insulting and what parts specifically did I get wrong??? Since I am sooo clueless, surely you could rattle off 20-30 things that I was wrong about from my post.

LOL...if only you knew how they convert

Your purpose here is not educate....its to belittle those guys that had a go and failed using your friends system..... not sure why but I think even the blind can see your true purpose.

Thats about it for me.....you and your friend can resume belittling others and pointing out how smart you both are. I see what you and Mark claim to do and in Marks case I would call that Monday. I dont presume to know how well you do but if your talk is any indication you must be the smartest guy in the room.

Thanks BB, but play time is over.

please ignore will76 he is village idiot

hahaha, tuck tail and run. I love it when people throw out insults saying other people are "Clueless" but then when put on the spot to back up their insults they shit their pants and leave.

All you can say is I am clueless. Clearly if I was so clueless you could have pointed out 20 things, 10 things, hell 1 thing I was sooo wrong about. Nope, not you, you will spend more time trying to insult me. I think that says a lot about who is really the clueless one.

So what is your purpose to try to be "captin save a noob?"

Funny how you knock me for being mean to people yet all you did was throw insults my way, nothing but insults.

+ another idiot that has to believe me and Mark are friends because god forbid we agree. If someone agrees with Mark, we must be friends. Never mind the fact I have been critical of him and did not agree with everything, and he has professional the way he handled it. He didn't get defensive because it was something he didn't want to hear.

Tell "bb" I said me fine, thanks bb. :1orglaugh

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And I apologize if I hurt anyone's internet feelings. I know I am an asshole. But at least I am not an asshole who just calls people idiots and just does drive by insults. I at least explain why I think you are an idiot and you can take it or leave it.



fake nicks trying to insult people was so 2008.


try a new approach champ, no one cares what the no name fake anon poster's opinion is.

This was before Mark wanted his name blocked on GFY, I guess.