Will they provide the script?

:D

hahaha :thumbsup

I hope it passes.

Simple. You are such an idiot that it is just too good of a target to pass by.

Not to be a smart ASS but last time I checked VISA and MasterCard are still US. This would CHANGE alot. I agree it will probably never pass.

Ron C
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Just to play devil's advocate...

A 12 year old can not walk into a 7-11 here in the US and purchase a Penthouse Magazine, but the same kid can see as much sick shit as he wants on the internet without any age verification whatsoever.

I remember a few years back it was still exciting to find a free image gallery of dirty pictures. Now you can hop onto any of a thousand tubes and watch as much insane sex as you want... but for some reason the excitement is gone.

Less free shit may in fact reignite sexual interest, desires, and maybe even sales!

I know it's a slippery slope, but porn was just much more fun and exciting when it was hard to find.

I see it two ways...
First off, you have to remember that we had a really good run in the 2000's. Yeah, the late 1990's were incredible as well. And a lot of the sales that happened from 2000 to 2007 came from 15 year old boys who were surfing our tgps a few years earlier. Then when they came of age and had credit cards they were ready to buy memberships. They had spent a few years wondering what was really inside those members areas.
I made millions of dollars selling memberships through my tgps and I can tell you 100% that those surfers started as teen boys and grew up with me online.
So on one hand, this would kill the affiliate model the rest of the way. Oh, it would still be on life support to some extent through non-nude blogging and galleries...but it would pretty much be dead as would all that traffic.

BUT...on the other hand...illegit tubes with full scenes and bit torrent sites with full members area rips have already killed it. Those 15 year olds that used to come to me now go to the tubes and torrents and no longer grow up waiting to get a credit card.

So, even though it would mean the end of my tgp business after all these years...I think it might be the only way to kill the tubes and torrents.

Of course with our luck, the govt. will give the tubes and torrents a free pass just like they did with 2257 laws and copyright laws because it's "user uploaded" and we will end up even MORE fucked than we already are. :(

How so? :helpme

But a 12 year old can turn on HBO and watch full nudity fuck scenes.... your point ?

Mine is a lot more accurate. When it comes to brick and mater, real people in the flesh "handing over" the porn, then it would be absolutely crazy not to have them "check id".

What we are dealing with here is what kids have access to from their own home where there is no way that a website nor a cable station knows who is watching. What happens in the home falls under "parenting" or lack of since the parents are the only ones who can block porn from their kids. They can put filters in place, not let the kid have a pc with internet access in their room, or god forbid supervise thier internet usage. If parents cant control what their kids do in their own homes, then the issue isn't with porn sites, they have much greater problems on their hands.

My point is too much free hardcore porn is desensitizing a generation, while simultaneously killing off sales, since it is all out there for free now.

To compare HBO to current internet porn is like comparing a firecracker to an atomic bomb.

Well, there wouldn't be much left of free porn. I know a lot of guys theorize that if TGP's hadn't been around we would all somehow be much richer and sell more porn. But I can tell you that I sold around 10 million dollars worth of PAYSITE memberships from 1997 to 2006....and I did every bit of it with hardcore galleries. I was getting massive amounts of traffic. My very successful experience has been that "YES" you do make sales by giving out free porn. But in a controlled manner.

Tubes and torrents have all but killed affiliate sales to paysites. I know that from both ends of the spectrum. As an affiliate I no longer have that big traffic (we all know where it is now) and the only thing I can sell seems to be dating or cams.
And as a paysite owner I see that my "big" affiliates from 2 years ago went from sending 20 thousand hits a day to sending a couple of hundred hits a day. And my type-ins to affiliate sales ratios to Claudia-Marie's site are like 90% type ins vs. 10% affiliate sales.

So with affiliate sales to paysites already almost dead...I would say that taking away their ability to even run our nude and hardcore hosted materials and banners would take them down to almost nothing. And the only thing left would be non-nude blogs and google traffic. And paysites can easily dominate that for themselves. Hell, most paysites are already cultivating their own traffic and sales.

If porn were put behind a firewall again, and you were able to generate interest and traffic via SEO and non-nude teaser material for your own sites, then why wouldn't affiliates simply do similar things as well?

I doubt this new bill will go through, but if it does, sites like NonNude2ube.com could be an excellent affiliate site idea for example.

I agree. It will never happen. Adult would go back to 2001 levels of raining cash though.

A few opinions of mine and only mine.....

1.) I agree that this bill will probably never pass.

2.) Don't kid yourself....something very similar to this WILL pass one day.

3.) If the UBO (Ultimate Beneficial Owner) of a company lives in the US, then you will be held to US Law. It does not matter where your servers are, where your processing is, or where your "office" is. Always remember the government motto, ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.

4.) This bill, nor anything like it, will eliminate free porn on the internet. It will only eliminate the number of US Citizens that make money from said free porn.


--T

well, I :1orglaugh

I do agree with it all - there is far too much hardcore out there which is a very very bad thing?

However, unless someone comes up with a killer age verification system for virtual non-paying transactions, then all this can mean is non-locked (eg members area) hardcore == illegal. But only in the US, and so it won't clean up the internet at all.

As for visa and mastercard controlling things - bullshit. All someone has to do is have none nude, teaser trailers/tours to get the site approved and push all the hardcore to the feeder sites/affiliates, located offshore.

Yes, but that kid can look at the Penthouse if his mom allows him to look through a box of magazines which she knows contains a Penthouse. Which is essentially what is happening when his mom allows him to use the internet unattended.

So they might have to enter a credit card to view your tour?
The day this law passes you will see prechecks on the warning page.
Duke

for once i agree with Baddog - how so?

german affiliates only use soft material to promote german sites

whats next? a porn tax too.maybe we need to go live in japan or china. starting to get that way here already.

Its like government is proud to cost someone their job. cigerrette sales are down 20% in Fl because of $1.00 tax. so who does that hurt the smoker? no cuz it still smokes, but the business owner makes less sales, then the tobacoo industry has to cut back because they make less sales, then more people who are factory workers with only industry type skills are out of work because smoking is bad? So alchohol can cause sever liver disease. Prohibition again? Weed? i really never heard of anyone dying from it. (no i don't smoke it) hell what teen cares about porn when they can fuck their girlfriend and see them naked. teens today are running wild. maybe they need to focus on teens seeing real live nudity from their lovers instead of beating off to a picture and causing severe distress. These stupid ass government officials need to think back to when they were kids and needed something to jerk off to... they would have killed for a playboy back then. the sears catalog just dosent do it for me. Maybe they should just ban alcohol in being visualy seen by a minor. it may scar them for life. or you can't smoke a cig in front of them either. that could also fuck them up. i think im going to start writing some really nonsense bills and posting them on the net. who's with me....

our lord and savior obama would never let such a thing happen!
I mean, the democrats are supposed to save us from the evil republicans!








sheep :1orglaugh

I would worry more about Paygea and ICC-CAL ruining it for everyone than anything else.

irrelevant.

All i can add is...
1) tubes torrents p2p will be non-impacted, since they already ignore things like laws & ethics.
2) Both political parties are absolutely disgusting the way they use the bill of rights like toilet paper.

well, this bill will most likely not pass so I would still worry about losing the ability to process visa cards.

This is a bigger problem than people realize. In all the years I ran porn stores I never became desensitized to porn the way I am now, and this generation has everything at their fingertips. When a 12 year old can see a woman blowing a horse online for free why would they give a rat's ass about buying a membership to a porn site with the usual porn star suspects getting fucked? Porn sold a hell of a lot better when it was still considered taboo...

It doesn't matter if its Blue or Red Kool-aid your drinking, its still all Kool-aid... :winkwink:

Having been a 12 year old once I can tell you that yes it IS possible to buy a Penthouse from a convenience store. Those are the same type stores that sell cigarettes and booze to minors. And they exist. And I've done it. When I was 16 I worked at a small grocery store that all kinds of porn mags. Not just Playboy. I'm talking Hustler, Oui, Swank etc. The chick working at the checkout lane that I went to high school with had no problems letting me purchase said magazines as long as no one was around. This was in the 80's WELL before the internet as we know it. Not to mention half your friend's dads either had a magazine and/or video collection lying around that they made no effort to lock up. In fact a lot of dads didn't give a fuck if you looked at their porn as long as you didn't fuck it up. I turned 18 before most of my friends so when I able to legally buy porn mags or rent porn movies I had no problem buying a mag or renting a movie for one of my not yet 18 friends if he gave me the money. So what was that you were saying about minors not being able to get porn?

Sure if you don't monitor your child's internet activities. Fact is it's EASIER today to know if your kid is looking at porn than it was when I was a kid. Only time I got busted was when my porn collection got so huge it was difficult to hide. So I'm talking MONTHS. I can go in my kids computer right now and tell you every site he's been on in the last 24 hours.

You don't need age verification to buy a PPV porn movie and most parents don't have parental locks on their cable boxes. The movies they show on Cinemax at night may not be "porn" to us but to the Jesus freaks they most certainly would be. And not exactly what you'd want a 12 year old watching. What "age verification" is there to stop a 12 year old from watching "Skinemax" as they call it? NONE.

look who's keeping the patriot act and possibly taking it to the next step. :thumbsup

Actually many people actually quit because smoking is too expensive or they cut back a lot. Both of those means those people will have LESS healthcare costs down the road. Of course since it's WE the taxpayer that would eventually pay those healthcare cost of smoking related illnesses I'm for anything that reduces that costs. It pisses me off when the smokers talk about their "rights", but then expect me to pay for their lung cancer treatment or heart bypass or oxygen tank when their "right" causes them health problems. Why shouldn't those smokers pay for their own healthcare costs?

I'm sure you know more about processing than me so I'll take your word for it.:thumbsup

i never claimed to know more than anyone. i'm just doing some research. my findings will be made public soon and you can issue retorts then.

stay tuned!

I'll await this breaking news with bated breath. :winkwink:

not so much breaking as people need to be brought up to speed on whats happening. since you seem so blahsay i can only imagine where you stand on it. it only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. visa doesn't need porn, porn needs visa.

where I stand?
I stand in the know.
odd, when I look around I don't see you there.

I hide in the shadows. Lot less egos here.
Since you know so much, do you want to enlighten us now as to why this doesn't matter?

no I do not.

pearls, swine, and all that :winkwink:

I'm more worried about taxes collected on behalf of states as "sales" tax. Like New York state already forces some online affiliate programs. The result? The programs ban affiliates from New York. When that hits adult, then people will be sure to bitch and have a for damn sure good reason. 8 other states have bills along these lines right now.

So... how are they going to regulate 14 year old intelligence and hormons? :error

Amen brother! You are 100% spot-on!

Abso-fucking-lutely! Well said!