Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland (Post 16569881)

Ron,

Hand out...this is nothing about a hand out. Actually what the article is quoting from were studies in 2002 to help the health insurance industry, hmo's, ppo's and the like to cut cost by cutting down on expenses for testing that they deem unnecessary and you know it...

So, if you have a health care plan then you know the above has been rationing your shit for years with higher premiums and higher deductibles, preferred doctor lists, referrals, insurance riders and other shit, as I have seen with my health plan.

So come up with a better example and get off the hand out bullshit:2 cents:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16569911)

it sure does and you sure can:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6084749AAEwcqv

"""All doctors will accept cash payments up front. (In fact, they probably prefer it, so that they don't have to deal with the hassle of billing and collections!)

You'll have to call around to find a doctor who's self-pay price for services is within your budget.
Source(s):
15 years working for health insurance companies and medical providers""""

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16569332)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/he...ef=todayspaper

no more breast exams, no more pap tests until 50 and 40 respectively.
its rationing, pure and simple. all hail obama.

mammograms:
"""It found that one cancer death is prevented for every 1,904 women ages 40 to 49 who are screened for 10 years...."""

uh, there are 23 million women in the US in that age group. lets do some math.
12,000 deaths are prevented by screening that age group (by their numbers).
not only that, but the argument is now being framed that the "less testing" group are "backers of science driven medicine" and that its "the scientific perspective"
you know, those of us who know early detection equates to lives saved still think the earth is flat.

Its truly shocking that our populous has become so sheepish as to be spoon fed this shit and accept it.

"""For decades, the medical establishment, the government and the news media have preached the mantra of early detection, spending untold millions of dollars to spread the word. Now, the hypothesis that screening is vital to health and longevity is being turned on its head, with researchers asserting that mammograms and Pap smears can cause more harm than good for women of certain ages."""

now early screening is a "hypothesis" and we're supposed to believe early testing "can cause more harm than good"

hahahaha, yes. undetected cancer leads to death, what is the "harm" that matches that on the other side?




wake up sheep.