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$5 submissions 11-21-2009 01:40 PM

The biography isn't very flattering. If it were it would be a hagiography instead of a biography. :) Anyway, Rand came along at a time when many people felt they NEEDED to hear her message.

$5 submissions 11-21-2009 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 16571107)
Yes, she's overrated.... try reading Hans-Hermann Hoppe instead...

http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Econ...dp/0765808684/

Dude, thank you for that link. I'm all about this type of reading material.

kane 11-21-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16573119)
kane, why do you waste your time arguing with that idiot?

I think I have a sickness :)

DaddyHalbucks 11-21-2009 02:58 PM

As a writer? Yes.

As a thinker? NO.

You are witnessing Ayn Rand's predictions right now as Obama's bigger and bigger government forces economic failure on its citizens.

StickyGreen 11-21-2009 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 16573743)
As a writer? Yes.

As a thinker? NO.

You are witnessing Ayn Rand's predictions right now as Obama's bigger and bigger government forces economic failure on its citizens.

lol, it's not "Obama's idea." This shit is much deeper than Obama, he's just another puppet frontman. If you could see through your hopeless 2-party-paradigm illusion you would understand that.

kane 11-21-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 16573743)
As a writer? Yes.

As a thinker? NO.

You are witnessing Ayn Rand's predictions right now as Obama's bigger and bigger government forces economic failure on its citizens.

This is where some people seem to be off base. Have you read Atlas Shrugged? What starts the downfall in the book is the fact that a company creates a product (in this case a type of super strong steel) that is cheap to make, better than anything on the market and has a million uses. They quickly start controlling the market as more and more companies start buying that metal from this company and move away from regular steel. So the government steps in an forces them to let other companies and make and sell that metal. They make the company give up some of its market share and forbid them from manufacturing over a certain amount of it. So the guy that owns the company gets pissed and refuses to produce anything. He, along with many other barons of industry, start to turn their back on the government and without their "brilliance" and leadership things start to fail. As they start to fail the government takes more and more control of businesses.

Last I checked the government isn't forcing any companies to share their technology with other companies. Our situation is different. We had a financial system that started creating wealth out of thin air. They weren't selling or investing in an actual tangible good, they were simply creating wealth by betting on how good or bad companies would perform. Eventually, that bit them in the ass (of course this is a massive over simplification, but it is the overall theme of what happened). By then many of these companies were so big they were deemed "unable to fail" and were bailed out.

Nobody walked away because they were sick of government regulation. Nobody refused to manufacture goods or services out of protest.

There is a huge difference between what is going on right now and what happened in Atlas Shrugged. Are there some similarities? Sure. Is it the same? Not by a large margin.

StickyGreen 11-21-2009 06:26 PM

Hey Kane, the new President of the European Union seems to think global governance is upon us:

"2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet."

http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles...le_9245_en.htm


Rompuy attended a Bilderberg dinner at Hertoginnendal, Brussels on November 15th, during which he announced a plan to implement EU wide taxes that will be paid directly to Brussels.

Recently Mario Borghezio (Italy), member of the European Parliament, spoke openly against the influence of globalist organizations such as the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission. "Is it possible that no one has noticed that all 3 (EU Presidential candidates) frequently attend Bilderberg or Trilateral meetings?," asked Borghezio.


kane 11-21-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16574054)
Hey Kane, the new President of the European Union seems to think global governance is upon us:

"2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet."

http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles...le_9245_en.htm


Rompuy attended a Bilderberg dinner at Hertoginnendal, Brussels on November 15th, during which he announced a plan to implement EU wide taxes that will be paid directly to Brussels.

Recently Mario Borghezio (Italy), member of the European Parliament, spoke openly against the influence of globalist organizations such as the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission. "Is it possible that no one has noticed that all 3 (EU Presidential candidates) frequently attend Bilderberg or Trilateral meetings?," asked Borghezio.


The Copenhagen meeting is just that, there will be no treaty signed there, all of the members of that group have already admitted that they can't come to terms with each other.

They have been saying that we are under a global governance since the creation of the UN. Couldn't this just mean that the governments of the world are going to work together to solve our mutual problems? It doesn't mean that one group is going to control the world.

I have said it before and I will continue to say that something like this can't happen. There are too many religious and cultural differences in this world to allow it. There is no way Muslims will live under Christian run and vice versa. And you think China and India are just going to allow a group of people to tell them what to do and how to do it? Please. Any real World Government would govern a world in chaos and the only reason you seem to think that they want this is so they can have ultimate power and kill off the 80% of the people that don't agree with their ideals. Call me crazy, but that sounds insane to me.

StickyGreen 11-21-2009 07:52 PM

A one world "religion" is also part of their plan. They have an interesting way that they will try to implement it... but I won't get into that on this forum. That stuff is for the advanced "crazies."

The 80% are not the "80% of the people that don't agree with their ideals." That is simply a number they came up with, they believe about 20% of the current population would be much easier to control... there's just simply too many of us right now. That is why I believe that we are winning... there are so many of us and so much information is being spread on a large scale. I'm sure they think they're winning, but I believe that they are currently losing the battle for their all-mighty tyrannical world government. They might be laying the groundwork but they are still far off from their goal.

$5 submissions 11-22-2009 07:32 PM

Dude, wait, what?

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16574167)
A one world "religion" is also part of their plan. They have an interesting way that they will try to implement it... but I won't get into that on this forum. That stuff is for the advanced "crazies."

The 80% are not the "80% of the people that don't agree with their ideals." That is simply a number they came up with, they believe about 20% of the current population would be much easier to control... there's just simply too many of us right now. That is why I believe that we are winning... there are so many of us and so much information is being spread on a large scale. I'm sure they think they're winning, but I believe that they are currently losing the battle for their all-mighty tyrannical world government. They might be laying the groundwork but they are still far off from their goal.


dyna mo 11-22-2009 08:14 PM

i tried to tell ya. the guy's an idiot.

marcop 11-22-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16571484)
disagree totally, I think The Fountainhead is a great book and everyone should read it :2 cents:


and thinking that Ayn Rand type philosophy is similar to what got us in the banking mess we are in is showing a complete non-understanding of her theories, in fact it is exactly what she was most strongly against that has resulted in the messes we are in :2 cents:

I don't read novels to be presented with theories--I want to be entertained. Ayn Rand should have written philosophy or political theory books, not novels. As a novelist, she gives Karl Marx a run for his money.

Holly 11-23-2009 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by marcop (Post 16576088)
I don't read novels to be presented with theories--I want to be entertained. Ayn Rand should have written philosophy or political theory books, not novels. As a novelist, she gives Karl Marx a run for his money.

That was the whole point of her method for delivery. She wanted to represent the right in the same way that the culture of the left was starting to spread. There was so much leftist propaganda in the 30s and 40s with great authors, playwrights, filmmakers, etc. She was the person who purposely stepped in to fill those shoes for the right.

There's always a resurgence of her popularity any time there's a shift in economic policy in the country. It goes all the way back to the New Deal and probably will continue well into the future. The funniest part today is hearing douchebags like Glen Beck and some of the moral right toting her out like their new hero, even though she was a staunch atheist and very anti-Christian.

kane 11-23-2009 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 16576374)
That was the whole point of her method for delivery. She wanted to represent the right in the same way that the culture of the left was starting to spread. There was so much leftist propaganda in the 30s and 40s with great authors, playwrights, filmmakers, etc. She was the person who purposely stepped in to fill those shoes for the right.

There's always a resurgence of her popularity any time there's a shift in economic policy in the country. It goes all the way back to the New Deal and probably will continue well into the future. The funniest part today is hearing douchebags like Glen Beck and some of the moral right toting her out like their new hero, even though she was a staunch atheist and very anti-Christian.

And I find it odd that they never mentioned her when their guy was in the white house and carrying out many economic policies that were helping to drive the country into the ground. Suddenly they lose an election and now magically they are offended and worried.

bigdog577 11-23-2009 06:16 AM

The end is near my friends.

BlackCrayon 11-23-2009 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16572646)
Most people probably won't "hate them," they will welcome their world government with open arms.

Families like the Rothschilds have been controlling the currency of nations through central banks for centuries now. They are past money, it's about power. Power to rule the entire planet, it's the oldest conquest in the book. They want 80% population reduction and the rest microchipped. Our job is to not let this happen. Call it crazy all you want, it is crazy, and it's all unfolding right before our eyes.

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