Nah all the new vaccines we get stuffed down our throat have nothing to do with the huge increase in cancer rates. :uhoh

50 bullshit vaccines that the sheeple buy into.

Parroting garbage some conspiracy nut fed you doesn't make you an independent thinker, sheep. BAAH BAAH BAAH BAAH :1orglaugh

I have been fighting with my ex over whether my kids should get it. I have ben saying yes and she is saying no in fear of reactions like this. I am very confused now as to what is the correct decision. Any opinions are welcome.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

It's common sense. The more meds we take, the more fast food we consume, the sicker we get. The stats don't lie, and I don't need the media to explain to me why people are getting sick.

that's some scary stuff

We're not getting sicker. Your stats are wrong. Where do you people get this shit?

You are 100% correct. If in doubt contact your doctor. If you don't want to get your shots then don't but don't screw with your kid's health because of mass paranoia from a bunch of porn slingers.

I agree...

As said in this thread there are many many doctors saying DON'T get the shot. Yet its all just us paranoid porn slingers saying not to get it lolz! :1orglaugh

I don't need anyone to tell me that its a bad idea. Doctors and Pharma companies out there pushing us to inject antibiotics for a cold, vaccines for the flu, all this bullshit ends up ruining peoples immune systems. We don't need all that shit. Its like if they invent some sort of robotic outer shell that did all our work for us so we didn't have to exercise are muscles would no longer have to do much and we would get weak. Well your immune system NEEDS to be around bacteria, and viruses. It gives it a work out. It makes it stronger so you can NATURALLY fight off disease and illness.

This swine flu is a big line of bs, just like the bird flu etc. If you want to swallow the media koolaid have at it...

This

Sorry, but I did not see a single doctor posting on GFY in this thread...

What I did see is people with an agenda saying they know of a doctor that says ....

In law, that is hearsay ... just like the drumbeat to war with Iraq ....

My doctor and my wife's obstetrician disagree with you. Where did you get your MD if you don't mind me asking? I mean, clearly your opinion is based on your education and years of experience.

Until you have some scientific evidence to back up your statements I will just disregard you as another uneducated, paranoid porn slinger.

I've been against it since day one.
Fuck that.

They don't have to post to be in it... From page 1: Medical Doctor Retracts H1N1 Vaccine Advice After Reading Insert!

here we go again

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202434522014

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnew...s-too-new.html

https://youtube.com/watch?v=l1K74Tnrrok




There are LOTs out there. The ones that don't have the pharma companies putting money in their pockets I guess... :uhoh

no it's not. the only things you are 'supposed' to take are malaria pills, tetanis shot, and rabies shot. i've been there before and seen the dogs, so yeah i did get the rabies. tetanis, not a major worry. malaria? the pills make you sick, and if you get malaria, you just go to a doctor and get meds. i know many people traveling to these areas that bought into the hype, and were sick from the malaria pills. fuck that shit.

I am sure the come back will be something like,"Those videos don't prove anything, those are actors not real doctors."

I would also like to add a few facts about vaccines as well and my first hand experience with their ineffectiveness.

Medical literature has a surprising number of studies documenting vaccine failure:
Measles, mumps, small pox, polio and Hib outbreaks have all occurred in vaccinated populations. A more recent study found that measles vaccination "produces immune suppression which contributes to an increased susceptibility to other infections."

In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine--and most of the imported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals

Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts' paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine). During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations (50% increase from 1957 to 1958, 80% increase from 1958 to 1959), but that the statistics were manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.

In 1989, the country of Oman experienced a widespread polio outbreak six months after achieving complete vaccination. Furthermore, European countries that refused immunization for small pox and polio saw the epidemics end along with those countries that mandated it.

The documented long term adverse effects of vaccines include chronic immunological and neurological disorders such as autism, hyperactivity, attention deficit disorder, dyslexia, allergies, cancer, and other conditions, many of which barely existed 30 years ago before mass vaccination programs. Vaccine components include known carcinogens such as thimersol, aluminum phosphate, and formaldehyde.

Medical historian, researcher and author Harris Coulter, Ph.D. explained that his extensive research revealed childhood immunization to be "...causing a low-grade encephalitis in infants on a much wider scale than public health authorities were willing to admit, about 15-20% of all children." He points out that the sequelae [conditions known to result from a disease] of encephalitis [inflammation of the brain, a known side-effect of vaccination]: autism, learning disabilities, minimal and not-so-minimal brain damage, seizures, epilepsy, sleeping and eating disorders, sexual disorders, asthma, crib death, diabetes, obesity, and impulsive violence are precisely the disorders which afflict contemporary society.

Given the many instances in which highly vaccinated populations have contracted disease, and the fact that the vast majority of disease decline this century occurred before compulsory vaccinations (pertussis or whooping cough deaths declined 79% prior to vaccines), this comparison is a valid one--and this enormous number of vaccine casualties can hardly be considered a necessary sacrifice for the benefit of a disease-free society.

Evidence suggests that vaccination is an unreliable means of preventing disease.

Both my children received the DPT(pertussis or whooping cough) vaccine as well as every other child I knew of friends and family. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY ALL STILL GOT IT ANYWAY.

IMO only the higher risk people (children, elderly, people in particularly high % H1N1 areas) should get the vaccine, for the simple fact that they're running out of them as it is and those are the people that really need the protection. I mean look, those are the ones that are advised to get the REGULAR flu vaccine - why should it be any different for a different strain of flu? Most of us who are normal healthy people don't have much to worry about. It's not like this is anything new...SARS, Avian Flu, etc...just another new "epidemic" that won't be one when all's said and done.

You're beating a dead horse. Give it up, crazy. You're not changing anyone's mind either way. Everyone needs to shut their yaps and do what they feel is right for them (no matter how stupid it may seem to others).

Lol its funny you don't see things on both sides. Reverse what you said, and a large majority feel the same way but in reverse. :1orglaugh

Alberta Registers H1N1 Death, Infection Rates Higher Than National Average
November 25, 2009 6:30 p.m. EST

Edmonton, Alberta (AHN) - Alberta has registered a death and infection rate for the Influenza A (H1N1) higher than the national average. Latest statistics said 47 Alberta residents have died of swine flu, while there are 219 H1N1 fatalities across the country.

It translates into an H1N1 death rate of 11.39 per one million residents in Alberta, which is almost double the national average of 6.49 per one million Canadians.

From April to date, more than 1,000 Albertans have been hospitalized for H1N1 infection, which is equivalent to 242 confinements per one million residents. The national swine flu hospitalization rate is 161 for every one million Canadians.

Alberta Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Andre Corriveau said there are many factors why the province's swine flu death and infection rates are higher compared to other Canadians provinces. One explanation is that Alberta has a good reporting system in place that it why it could pick up almost all incidents of H1N1 infection and deaths in the province.

Like a number of other Canadian provinces, Alberta allowed all residents to receive H1N1 vaccine beginning Monday after the province received 500,000 doses of the shots. With regular shipments of the vaccine, the province said it could inoculate daily 50,000 people against the swine flu virus.

Meanwhile, Health Canada said that except for an early November batch, there is no large number of Canadians who reported adverse side affects after being immunized with the adjuvanted vaccine against H1N1. Only six Canadians have severe allergic reaction to the swine flu vaccine delivered in a batch of 172,000 doses on the first week of November.

The suffered respiratory distress, swelling of the lips, eyelids, throat or tongue, and low blood pressure. But all six have fully recovered.

Did you even read my last post? Read it again and see if you get it this time. Goddamn you're slow sometimes. :1orglaugh

If you don't want to get a shot, don't. I don't give a shit. I got my vaccinations (shot for seasonal and live vaccine for H1N1) I'm fine. I thought I was supposed to die. LOL!

I got vaccinated because I am in the high risk category. If my wife weren't pregnant I wouldn't have worried about it. Even if I didn't have a pregnant wife and I had the opportunity to be vaccinated I would take it but I wouldn't have gone out of my way for it. Not because I am scared of the shot but because I am lazy and frankly a case of the flu is nothing more than an annoyance for me. H1N1 is infinitely more dangerous than getting the shot. That's an indisputable fact. H1N1 still doesn't particularly scare me.

My point is that nobody is going to change their minds at this point. Continuing to argue about it is pointless. Everyone needs to let it go. Why is it such a hot topic anyway?

Please stop posting facts. They have absolutely no meaning here. Only sheep rely on science and facts. BAAH BAAH BAAH

I hope you didn't let you wife get the shot. As listed in the Insert for the vaccine and found directly from the government website:
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM182401.pdf

"Safety and effectiveness of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine have not been established in pregnant women or nursing mothers and in the pediatric population below 6 months of age."

8.1 Pregnancy
...It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity...

:Oh crap

"let my wife" That's funny.

You do realize that those statements are made by every manufacturer as a way to cover their asses. Almost every drug on the market says not to use if "you are nursing, pregnant or may become pregnant."

You paranoid fuckers crack me up.

Just watched the news. It seems that the canucks are getting their vaccinations here in ft. lauderdale, because they are having a hard time getting vaccinated in canada?

Just saw that they aren't giving senior citizens vaccinations in canada until december.

I am not paranoid at all. I don't care if people take it or not. The reason I won't is I have taken care of my body and have good genetics. I take medication of no kind ever and I am also never sick. The last time was in 2001.

Sucks to have a compromised body.

:2 cents:

None of us need any flu vaccines, we all sit on computers in our dark basements for 12 hours a day.

It must. I wouldn't know. Pregnancy compromises the body pretty significantly.

"Many illnesses are more severe during pregnancy, but the H1N1 influenza has had an unexpectedly devastating impact among pregnant women. According to the CDC, there have been approximately 700 reported cases of H1N1 in pregnant women since April. Of these, 100 women have required admission to an intensive care unit and 28 have died. In other words, 1 out of every 25 pregnant women who contracted H1N1 died of it. By any standard, that is an appalling death rate."

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/10/...u-vaccine.html

Hence my reason for getting vaccinated.

Dude, you don't know what fucking research the government has done, or not done?! I'm just telling you what my brother relayed to me, & he is well respected in the United States Army. Believe what you want, but I'm not getting that fucking shot!

It will all come out someday about all this bullshit. lol Suck down the koolaid and have another vaccine. :thumbsup

Total BS ... In Quebec, vaccination now is available to all , and we were the last province like that .....
Now, if snowbirds are already in Florida, well I think it makes sense that they get vaccinated there, if they wish ... don't you ?


PS: Vaccination is free.

Koolaid? You're a loon.

That is such a wide open statement...you could say it about anything. Widespread use of wifi, cellphones, artificial sweeteners,..hell even cars could have something or nothing to do with increase of cancer rates

Same here in Ontario. Apparently no one is even lining up for them anymore and they have plans to scale back the vaccine clinics and extra hospital workers that were brought on for this.

Makes perfect sense.

PS: some places are charging.

exactly :2 cents:

Some flu updates here in Canada.

Swine flu leveling off in Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/...n1-canada.html

24 Bad reactions to the vaccine.
http://www.healthzone.ca/health/news...-shot-reaction

1) The world health organization.
2) My father has been a doctor for 32 years.

I'd take the advice of both of them over a porn webmaster. Sorry.

Show me one place in Canada that is charging people for the vaccine.

As for what you said earlier about Canadians in Florida getting vaccinated there, maybe it's because they're there and don't want to travel all the way back to Canada for a free needle? Ya think?

Here in Manitoba the reports are that everyone can get it free anytime. There are a dozen vaccination clinics set up in Winnipeg alone, no one who wants it is being turned away.

But of course misinformation trumps all.

Some places in FLORIDA are charging.

Show me where the WHO says we are sicker now than we were before modern medicine and where they say illnesses are caused by vaccinations.

Your dad isn't a doctor either. If he was you'd have a different attitude on modern medicine and science in general.