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Juicy D. Links 11-25-2009 12:35 PM
A list of top advertisers would be nice to see on a separate page for reference , hard to keep track

quiet 11-25-2009 12:39 PM
what a pile of steaming shit. thank god jbm exists.

Juicy D. Links 11-25-2009 12:39 PM
I think they should put a HD Webcam under erics desk also so we can see his dingaling on demand , especially when he wears shorts and goes commando

PR_Glen 11-25-2009 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 16584876)
because while the profitability of the top banner or under the quick reply box might be already questionable, i think that a 120x60 at the bottom is totally pointless. i even had to look if they are still there before i posted this

if i would consider being a sponsor it would be a top banner or nothing. and i can't afford a top banner
but even if you didn't think that banner spot at the bottom would be all that helpful what Dave is suggesting would still allow you to have advertising threads and have your promos stickied the same if not close to it would it not? Doesn't have to be so black and white if you are just getting started.

Sharky 11-25-2009 12:42 PM
Why the hell are you guys blowing this out of proportion? The advertisers simply need more value to stay. Of all the users posting today, less than 10% add any real value.

Try going to any of the big mainstream forums and you will see they are moderated to a T. They move posts from incorrect forum to the appropriate forum all the time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to clean up GFY of all the spam and add more value. The value in advertising on forums has dropped a lot over the last few years.. It's not going to get better unless something is done about it.

Jman 11-25-2009 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharky (Post 16584923)
Why the hell are you guys blowing this out of proportion? The advertisers simply need more value to stay. Of all the users posting today, less than 10% add any real value.

Try going to any of the big mainstream forums and you will see they are moderated to a T. They move posts from incorrect forum to the appropriate forum all the time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to clean up GFY of all the spam and add more value. The value in advertising on forums has dropped a lot over the last few years.. It's not going to get better unless something is done about it.
Now you just lost them all more by making sense Sharky :upsidedow:1orglaugh:upsidedow

JayDeeZee 11-25-2009 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 16584542)
Interesting example regarding newspapers. Where do these same newspapers stick their free ads? Not on the front page ;)
If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.

quiet 11-25-2009 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayDeeZee (Post 16584926)
If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.
no doubt.

Loch 11-25-2009 12:52 PM
OK i dident read the last page here, a bit too busy at the moment.
However it seems to me that the entire post have been twisted a tad here....i dont think Dave cares about the small stuff posted here once in a while, i know i dont and doubt that was the intent of this post.

However there are some fairly good size programs and few bigger ones that constantly have stuff going on and posting their weekly updates.
There are also some members with small businesses that post news and updates almost daily......THAT is a kick in the nuts to ANY paying advertiser.

All i have heard in here is how boring this place would be if the FREE add madness stopped.
Well how do you think it would go if the advertisers stopped?
Moving into 2010 GFY can go 2 different routes.

1. Cut add prices in almost half
2. clean this place up a bit

Why?
If you think this resession cripples the webmaster making 2k pr month try to imagine what companies like PR is loosing right now....
If you cant optimize adds you have to cut them

We are taking our adds out from 2-3 places In December as they are just not performing (Eric relax not from here lol)

Libertine 11-25-2009 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 16584655)
ALSO Keep in mind without PAID ADVERTISMENT the small programs would NOT have a GFY to promote their program
Keep in mind that as long as you have traffic, you'll probably be able to find advertisers. But without traffic, you're fucked.

PR_Glen 11-25-2009 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayDeeZee (Post 16584926)
If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.
Who said anything about covering this place with ads? Letting the community decide what ads they want to see? Come on! With that logic ads would be a meaningless waste of money, and if all the advertisers believed that and no ads were put up? What would pay the bandwidth bills here exactly?

cherrylula 11-25-2009 01:05 PM
you guys going about this wrong.

make a gfy premium version, paid version, make it bannerless and get rid of all the sponsor spam.

make gfy bannerless!! ;)

Sharky 11-25-2009 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayDeeZee (Post 16584926)
If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.
WRONG! I can post a totally spammy thread that noone finds "relevant" but hit up my entire ICQ list to bump it for me. Everyone does this. Advertisers as well as non-advertisers do. Advertisers have the benefit of a sticky thread, but the value of that sticky thread diminishes when one could have their friends bump the thread to the top of the forum for days on end.

Agent 488 11-25-2009 01:28 PM
you ever stop kissing ass?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 16584635)
amen!!!!!

Not saying small programs should NOT have the right to promote themselfs but Advertisers should have some sort of priority like a first class top 10 post on first page.

wdforty 11-25-2009 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayDeeZee (Post 16584516)
Imaging if advertisers had control of newspapers or news coverage.
You're kidding right? Take a closer look at MSM.

Joshua G 11-25-2009 01:29 PM
the valid point, that advertisers get better value, was polluted by the comment "if they cant afford to advertise here, fuck em."

a world with no opportunity to grow from small to large is a world without innovation. So creating a class system here based on cash is a remarkably dumb idea. Simply advocate for better advertiser value & leave it there...

JayDeeZee 11-25-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 16584994)
Who said anything about covering this place with ads? Letting the community decide what ads they want to see? Come on! With that logic ads would be a meaningless waste of money, and if all the advertisers believed that and no ads were put up? What would pay the bandwidth bills here exactly?
To clarify I said announcement not ads. Ads imply "paid" spots.

Announcements on this board are content. If a shitty sponsor has a crappy or un-insightful announcement it will drop.

If a sponsor has an outright terrible idea, dave is limiting our ability to criticize and make fun of him. Where would this board be without some of the massive 20 pg failures of some small programs.

Example: NEW! Twin Sister site now signing up affiliates!

wtfent 11-25-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16584184)
Wanting more for my ad $'s brings the hate.

Sleazy is just saying what is on his mind, he is a business man too. I have no personal issue with him.

Industry is changing, this is a business is it not? I am looking to get more for people that advertise on GFY and less for people that don't.

Perhaps a time limit on non-advertiser announcements would do the trick. 12 hours and then the bounce.
You need to read the story about the guy that had a goose that could make golden eggs. That is you 100%. Your trying to hurt the very same people that make your program so successful. Dude just give it up, you're in the wrong, this a battle you already lost. Stop digging yourself in a deeper hole. :2 cents:

Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-25-2009 01:51 PM
Either pay to announce your shit, or gtfo.

PimpRoll wins!

the Shemp 11-25-2009 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killswitch (Post 16585126)
Either pay to announce your shit, or gtfo.

PimpRoll wins!

congrats to the winners... :thumbsup

JayDeeZee 11-25-2009 02:12 PM
Dave, I don't disagree with you wanting more value for your ad dollars. Just don't take this out on the community.

GFY should consider offering added value PR.

Or sponsors should consider diverting some of their ad budget to public relations on GFY

Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-25-2009 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Shemp (Post 16585151)
congrats to the winners... :thumbsup
I was dj diddling all over the place to my avatar, then I saw yours and I sploodged.

cyco_cc 11-25-2009 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16584729)
Non advertiser announcements, not just regular posts/threads lol!

Come on guys....
Looks like it is being blown out of proportion or taken out of context. Paid advertising is what keeps GFY going, no doubt. I think it's fair that paid advertisers should have priority over non-paid announcements. I don't think you mentioned anything about posts/threads so I don't know why anyone would lump that in there (then again, I didn't read all of the posts, "too long, did not read :)"). I think it pissed people off when you called non-paid "SPAM". Just my :2 cents:

BFT3K 11-25-2009 02:59 PM
GFY: The web's angriest message board!

San 11-25-2009 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16580995)
As an long time advertiser on GFY I'm tired of seeing this board over clogged with non-advertiser threads.

If they don't advertiser here their threads should be 100% bounced to an opportunities / spam forum.

I have already talked to many other advertisers and we are all in agreement. The ability to use a full size banner in our sigs is not enough of an incentive going into 2010.

GFY it is in your hands now.

:pimp
http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/system/.../butthurt2.jpg


how about making your program not suck, instead of whining?

SleazyDream 11-25-2009 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16584184)
Wanting more for my ad $'s brings the hate.

Sleazy is just saying what is on his mind, he is a business man too. I have no personal issue with him.

Industry is changing, this is a business is it not? I am looking to get more for people that advertise on GFY and less for people that don't.

Perhaps a time limit on non-advertiser announcements would do the trick. 12 hours and then the bounce.
no. :2 cents:

SleazyDream 11-25-2009 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 16584699)
What is this FREE concept you are talking about... Do you honestly think without all the advertising revenue Playboy would of kept a board like GFY running on a Free model :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Also craigslist have a paying model, you pay for your add and you get better placement... Basically what Dave is asking GFY.
you're a complete fucking moron in a lot of ways.

reality is if you give stickys to advertisers it's like a beacon NOT to read the ad and that it's selling something. Sticky's do not guarantee page views - we've scene that many times. but if that makes an idiot like you happy - do it.

what gets page views in threads is something INTERESTING. that's it. The people who are pissed of are those who have nothing interesting to get people's attention now and their only option is to threaten with money.

banning or restricting people from talking about their websites will crush this place, It's what everyone here (cept for you MR 'I hate adult' tattoo man) came here for. We all want to talk about things related to our lives which and the largest part of out lives is our work.


What's responsible for the huge decline in inkednation's traffic? Thinking like this?

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...kednation.com&

at least I can say I left the business for 2 years........ LOL

SleazyDream 11-25-2009 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayDeeZee (Post 16585087)
To clarify I said announcement not ads. Ads imply "paid" spots.

Announcements on this board are content. If a shitty sponsor has a crappy or un-insightful announcement it will drop.

If a sponsor has an outright terrible idea, dave is limiting our ability to criticize and make fun of him. Where would this board be without some of the massive 20 pg failures of some small programs.

Example: NEW! Twin Sister site now signing up affiliates!
the only terrible ideas that get tons of attention are the ones people shit all over and make fun of - and it's one of the REAL joys of this place.....

JFK 11-25-2009 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 16584649)
If you don't think you're getting enough bang for your buck, then stop advertising.
AMEN :thumbsup

JFK 11-25-2009 07:43 PM
One Fitty non advertisers bounced:thumbsup

SleazyDream 11-25-2009 07:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharky (Post 16585054)
WRONG! I can post a totally spammy thread that noone finds "relevant" but hit up my entire ICQ list to bump it for me. Everyone does this. Advertisers as well as non-advertisers do. Advertisers have the benefit of a sticky thread, but the value of that sticky thread diminishes when one could have their friends bump the thread to the top of the forum for days on end.
in a way you're right - but if you get your friends to bump something shitty you WILL get crapped on in GFY -- it's a brutal place.

pumping something stupid is suicidal here - and a train wreck everyone just has to watch burn in flames and destroy itself.

the exception is contests - and I actually agree with how they are handled....

as it is now if someone goes too far nuts bumping something they get banned and the thread gets locked.

SleazyDream 11-25-2009 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 16583962)
I'm starting to lose some respect for you myself.. Did you even read his posts? Do you even know what it costs to advertise here? I read someone say you can get a banner spot for as low as 300 bucks.. come on!

You have been a good webmaster of ours for a long time now so I really don't understand why you are turning a disagreement with what Dave said into a war against us. Where did he say that nobody else should be aloud to make a thread? WHERE??? He is talking about advertising threads... Even if you disagree with what he is saying it is a valid argument, so valid that even Eric stepped in and not only responded but agreed that it should be something worth looking into down the road.


A lot of people taking shots at us for being so high and mighty here, but how do you guys think we built what we have? It had nothing to do with kissing ass BELIEVE ME. We paid a fortune in advertising when we first started things up! Not just here either. Why should someone who is just riding along for free get the same exposure then?

There is no reason we can't argue this issue without resorting to attacking each others business practices so if you disagree? Let's here it, but lets not be putting words into each others mouths here... :thumbsup
where did I attack your business other than on this issue? I actually praised your company in a lot of ways.

if you allow Dave to continue on the path to crush smaller webmasters, it will end up biting you in the ass....:2 cents:

I can make a valid argument that black people should still be slaves and that women should all be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Even if valid, arguing for something that will hurt other people - those people who support your program , is that really an argument you WANT to make?

don't hurt the people who send you traffic.....there are other ways

mpahlca 11-25-2009 08:53 PM
just a thought but wouldn't it be better to buy out the few remaining independent programs of any size or value and stop worrying about gfy? We do that mostly now...minus Shap getting pissed off lol

fris 11-25-2009 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinum Bryan (Post 16584892)
Well you do, if you are a paying advertiser you can get stickys at the top. I might be wrong but I believe you need to be a buyer to get that.
You can be a non advertiser and get a sticky, just cost a lot more.

Loch 11-25-2009 09:19 PM
Eric here is what you need to do, and yes it will cost you money!
Give TOP advertisers a FREE site skin for XX amount of days every year!

Its extra exposure and will solve atleast part of this problem.....

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 11-25-2009 10:24 PM
You know what most advertisers do with ad campaigns that aren't turning positive return? THEY SCRAP THEM. Bammm, to the curb and on to greener pastures. What blows my mind is that advertisers continue to spend money on traffic they deem worthless. STOP GIVING THEM MONEY FOR A WORTHLESS AD SPOT IF YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGE. let the market for the traffic correct itself if there's inadequacies in it's performance. Don'y keep shelling out the money complaining about the declining value of the traffic. let you money do they speaking, by taking it away. You're either going to see one of two results. Cost of ad spaces will be adjusted to a fair rate due to decline in demand, or they owners of the site will make changes in accordance to increase the value of said advertisement opportunities....

Coles Notes Version: If the traffic isn't showing he results you wish to see for your money, QUIT BUYING THE ADVERTISEMENTS...

Iron Fist 11-25-2009 11:18 PM
Oh yes :) If only I had a program....

Nah... I like being just a lowly affiliate.

Moving on....


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