damn a real parasite...

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They should be warned that any new children born after their application for welfare will not be covered. That will fix the problem right away. There's a couple that moved in next to me just over 2 years ago. Can't speak hardly any english. They have had a kid every year since they got here. They have 2 kids now with another on the way. He doesn't work, She doesn't work. Nobody works at all. Now the brother and his wife live there and they have a kid on the way. I can't play my guitar, Music or even have the TV up so I can heart it or they come knocking about the noise that their kids are sleeping. I warned this guy just the other day not to come to my door again or we are going to have a probelm... Let's see if he comes back. I'd like to send these deadbeats back to where they came from.

maybe you should move back into a cave, it will be all quiet.

Please educate yourself and see that there are no real problems with resources.
Your conclusion that Chinese people learnt "economical way of thinking" by being forced is hilarious.
Your numbers and speculations are just anecdotical evidence.
But you're right about one point, theres a problem with education :)

Nobody should be having babies at age 19. Nobody......

What do you mean by back ?
Why should I move into a cave ? I was born here. I work and I pay taxes.
These yoyo's should be sent to live into a cave.

More kids = more money...Seems pretty typical to me.

She sits on her fat ass and pops out kids while we continue to support her and her lifestyle. -sigh-

What a world we live in.

Sorry to disturb you but this going to become quite a issue with time, because mothers on welfare bring up children to stay on welfare all their life

I don't know that financial status should ever be measured as to whether you can care for or not care for a baby, I don't think I really agree with that idea at all. I know a lot of higher incomes that can't care for a child any better than someone who is financially unstable and those are the ones I worry about, the ones that HAVE money and their kids still grow up to be a complete and utter mess.

I do think, however, that mental capacity should be a measure of whether one should be put on mandatory birth control though. I know of one girl right now, her parents are both pretty well off but that girl can't even boil water or take care of herself on ANY level.... where a lower income class will tend to teach their kids SOME skill levels to help their kids survive in the world. My oldest son's ex-girlfriend will be 19 in one month, she is in college and that kid can't even boil water, she can't function at all on her own.... not even for a minute. Her parents put careers and church ahead of her all of her life. She has to label her food in her own home so her parents don't eat her food and if her name isn't on it, she isn't allowed to eat it. She is now living on her own and she is into so many drugs and drinking that she doesn't even know she can't boil water or feed herself because she stays so zoned out she doesn't know where she's at half the time. And this is from an upper middle income class home. She once called her dad an asshole and they put her in "Jesus Jail" for three days..... this consisted of being put in the basement for 24 hours at a time and no food or anything, and told to pray for forgiveness for disrespecting her father... once she would confess that she has repented, she was only then allowed out of Jesus Jail. She was 7 at this time.

Now.... on the flip side of this. We haven't ever been on welfare in my house, thank god, but have been damn close to it a few times, and there have been times where we weren't exactly the epitome of what you would consider financially stable.. and we DID make financial sacrifices to be able to raise our kids ourselves and not in some daycare or other places where they picked up god knows what. We raised them ourselves, regardless of financial status on our end. they never one time went to bed without being fully fed and knowing that regardless of anything, they were loved and appreciated for the PEOPLE they were and are. But the reasons for our financial status were our own making to make sure our kids had what they needed to survive in this world... and none of that consisted of having money!

Now I know I am not the greatest mom in the world, god knows I have made my mistakes and will again, and do probably on a daily basis... but I have the MENTAL capacity to know what is right for my kids. You see here, a version of both financial upper class and not so even lower class at times. And I can say this..... IF, and I don't agree that mandatory birth control should ever be used... but I am saying IF they ever wanted to put something like that in place, I'd MUCH rather they use mental capacity as a requirement way above financial status.

One can be poor and still give kids the things they NEED to survive in the world.... but what is needed is the MENTAL capacity to raise them not to be twisted and fucked up.

To answer your question, someone having that many kids JUSt to have a set of twins, has some MENTAL issues that need to be looked into. ;)

That's just my 2 cents on this.

there are things might be learned by being forced though, i didn't say Chinese people learned economical way of living by being forced,

i said they wouldn't want to have lots of children anymore,

screw it at all, we are talking about razing a human baby here,

while even having one kid is a big responsible, how can You come to me with such defence?

you live in the western community;

tell me, if Your people didn't work hard, if they breed like dogs, if they didn't educate them selfs,if they were not aware of responsibility of having a child, how the fuck you would develop as this?

e.g: can Bangladesh come even close to Norway with it's over 100 million population beside 3.5 million?

simple math simple as it man :2 cents:

As long as the government keeps giving twits more and more 'free money' for having more and more kids, it will continue being a growing 'business' for them.

Especially with tards like octomom and jon and kate setting the example that having a shitload of kids could make you famous, is only adding fuel to this fire that is pretty much burning down our country.

:Oh crap
:disgust

that is child abuse plain and simple.

can you really blame abused children for the behaviors they pick up after years of torment and abuse like this though?

Nope not at all, as an abused child myself.... no I cannot. And I don't blame her one little bit. My family did all we could to show her that is the opposite of what a FAMILY is supposed to be. She is one of these kids that, on the outside, everyone thought this was the perfect little family, she was dressed to the hilt growing up, got all the fancy cars and blah blah blah.... but on the inside, that kid is a complete mess. I could go on and on and on on just this kid.... she was not one time ever PHYSICALLY abused and some mental and lots of emotional.... that was the abuse I suffered..... but I think when it comes down to it, I think my abuse is minimum (and it was bad) next to hers. A few weeks ago, she was called home to her Dad, she got there and he took her car..... HER car, and changed the tires on HIS car with hers.. leaving her, his own child with tires with the metal showing thru on 3 of them, just so HIS tires were good. She had to sign a disclaimer to go onto his race track so she wouldn't sue him if she got hurt and if she didn't, she wasn't allowed on that track.

All in all, she is a good kid, very sweet and caring, she is just so twisted as to what is right and wrong.. but if you can get her off the drugs and away from them long enough, she sees what her childhood is, she just doesn't have the support base like i had to get her out of it. She broke up with my son because he tried to help her and be her support base, but Dad said to break up with him, he's a bad influence, so she did. And we cannot blame her for anything at all.. it isn't her fault her head is twisted.

Mental capacity is key, in my opinion.

Not to worry people, when the US goes bankrupt there won't be any money for welfare and these folks will be on their own.

:2 cents:

They do.

i think they should be forced to be on birth control. they already proved they cant care for themselves. someone who cares for themselves doesn't rely on the gov to get $ for food and shelter. if they cant care for themselves we shouldn't have to spend even more $ caring for their kids.

America officially went bankrupt in 1933.... but because the entire world runs on a fake wealth/debt system and nobody actually has the ability to back the value of money, and all Countries are already bankrupt, nobody really is transferring money - simply bank ledgers...

They can't let the system fail.... or it will be gone forever making 'them' will lose total control over the system they created.

The people will be taken care of, or they aren't working, to create/produce wealth, to be taken away.

I think we should just kill people who ask such dumb questions.

Although I obviously do not think that people on welfare should be having more children, I don't see something like this ever working in reality.

Furthermore, it takes 2 people to create these children, and 2 people need to be held responsible. Deadbeat parents owe hundreds of millions of dollars in child support. Maybe if a little more effort was put into making people pay for their legal responsibilities, and making it extremely uncomfortable for them not to do so, the burden on the welfare system wouldn't be as heavy.

I think unfortunately no matter what we do, people on welfare will drag all of us making moderate income on our own down to poverty in the name of helping take care of poor people. Government-forced birth control will never happen in the "land of the free". It's one of the things we've always bitched at China for. And what do you know, China is kicking our ass economically and basically holding us up by a thread...obviously due to MANY reasons of course.

The more time goes on and the more fucked the world gets, the more obvious it's not going to get better. It takes people banding together - large quantities of people, and the only thing people do that for is voting someone to be American Idol or putting in the first (semi) African American president regardless of qualifications. People care more about stories that aren't even TRUE (Balloon Boy) than the shit that matters anymore.

This is a good point. A friend of mine is married and has three kids. Two are his and their oldest his wife had with her ex husband in a previous marriage. Her ex is a major deadbeat. The daughter that she has with him just turned 16 and only in this last year did he start paying child support. The only reason he did is because the courts finally caught up with him. He would work, then once they caught up with him and start to garnish his wages he would quit and live off friends and family for a while until he got another job. He is an electrician and can make pretty good money. He eventually got remarried and had two kids with the new wife then got divorced. She joined in and came after him and finally the court told him that if he didn't start paying they would take away his drivers license and any professional license and they would put him in jail. So it only took 15 years, but he is finally paying child support and he owes so much on back payments that she will probably never see it.

If fathers were held more accountable, there would be a lot less problems.

I think there are still population controls via the government in China. Last year a friend of mine's family played host to a Chinese exchange student. She lived in a city near Beijing and her mom worked for the population control arm of the government. She told us that if you live out in the country in China they don't care if you have more than one kid because you need them to help work your farm, but if you live in the city (where most people do) and you have more than one kid you get a pretty hefty fine for doing so.

YES!!!!

You can't afford yourself, you can't afford your own family!!!

Mexican's are known to have WAY to many kids!

you are an idiot, real idiot you need to get a life and go see the world.

Me or the post above you?

topic starter whoever he is. because he still lives in acountry of plenty and it's super pisdec if they still get bigger homes easily for making clones.

okay, i will explain. this is a mozafaking happyness to have children, more the better, and you are talking mozafaking birth control. Are you a mozafaking republican?

stop buying 5L cars first then talk childern problem.

Let her breed. 5000 years from now, who's going to care what she did? No one.

and you forgot to mention that your welfare check is not for beer and cigs, I guess you dont know the system yet...more kids = more money from the city/state, plus you get an extra bedroom in public housing for pennies for each kid you have. :2 cents:

china is smart, forced abortions... thats what we need!

So, recently there's been all this talk about whether it's right or not that children are the property of the state. Kids are scared nowadays. The kids say, "They are like Hitlers. They own the kids." Well, there's nothing they can do. Well kids - at least you have the option to grow up and be on the government's side and then you can also indoctrinate kids yourself. If you do a crime, supposedly you will go to jail. Anyway, I love Karen O, birth control and # of children is regulated in some countries. I believe that China has a law that people cannot have more than one child, so that they decrease their population growth rate.

AMEN! serious, as a german i think the question alone is NAZI attitude already :disgust

Yes they still have and i said if they even free it today Chinese peeps wouldn't be wanting to have lotsa kids and i support it, whole world needs to learn from lesson :2 cents:

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If you feel you're being dragged down to poverty, you're probably in the bottom 50% of income earners. A group that, as a whole, pays less than 5% of all income taxes.

Two thirds of income taxes are paid by the top 10% of income earners - and they're definitely not being dragged down to poverty. If anything, their share of total income is actually growing.

So if you're struggling, stop blaming others. The only way to have to pay more than what could be argued is more than your fair share is to be one of the top earners. If you're not among those, others are picking up your tab already.

In a way, it's funny how people like you always whine and bitch. It's never your own fault. If you were on welfare, you'd be whining about immigrants taking your job. If you were among the top earners, you'd be whining about the lower and middle classes not paying their fair share.

Want to avoid being dragged to poverty? Quit whining and start working harder.

Yes, one shouldn't be allowed to be eating the same fine cuts of meat that one who is working for their food should get.....It should go back to the days of government cheese.