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Shap 11-27-2009 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 16589404)
It sounds to me like Dave got pissed at Nick for posting on GFY that he was the producer of the sites he shot for Pimproll. Some program owners don't like when shooters do that, they don't want their competitors to know their business including who's shooting for them.

and Brazzers are not stand up guys to anybody - they led the way when it comes to stealing the hard work of hundreds of producers and still do it to this day.
I have to side with Dave on this one. Shooters and content production is a huge part of a company's competitive advantage. If the information isn't public it's definitely important to the site owner that it doesn't come out.

AaronM 11-27-2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by uno (Post 16592259)
He was talking about Little Lupe for a while. :2 cents:

When the client pays thousands of dollars to buy your GFY sig and asks you to post about them.....

Most companies pay me to shoot for them, not advertise for them.

PR_Dave 11-27-2009 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592296)
I have to side with Dave on this one. Shooters and content production is a huge part of a company's competitive advantage. If the information isn't public it's definitely important to the site owner that it doesn't come out.
Unfortunately these few did not realize that.

Either they would post images from the set a month before the site was updated or they would post how awesome it was to shoot the scene. Did they have PimpRoll ads in their sigs? No. Did they ask permission? No.

Loch 11-27-2009 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16592399)
Unfortunately these few did not realize that.

Either they would post images from the set a month before the site was updated or they would post how awesome it was to shoot the scene. Did they have PimpRoll ads in their sigs? No. Did they ask permission? No.
Start using NDA's "Shouldent have to but its good practice"
I cant remember when i dident sign one.....not that its needed here, but its good practice.

Shap 11-27-2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16592399)
Unfortunately these few did not realize that.

Either they would post images from the set a month before the site was updated or they would post how awesome it was to shoot the scene. Did they have PimpRoll ads in their sigs? No. Did they ask permission? No.
I know. I remember the situation. I've seen it with a few others as well. Anytime you launch a new site it's KEY the competition doesn't see it coming. If they do the last way you want them to find out is a GFY post.

I think people forget finding out the niche, style, or models being shot for a site before the site is launched is a huge hit to the company launching it.

AaronM 11-27-2009 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592462)
I think people forget finding out the niche, style, or models being shot for a site before the site is launched is a huge hit to the company launching it.

Do you really think they forget? Maybe they don't consider or care about it in the first place. Many people have the "me first" attitude.

Shap 11-27-2009 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 16592494)
Do you really think they forget? Maybe they don't consider or care about it in the first place. Many people have the "me first" attitude.
True. :thumbsup Instead of being happy with the contract work they have from the one client they try to parlay it into even more work by using that company's name.

PR_Dave 11-27-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592503)
True. :thumbsup Instead of being happy with the contract work they have from the one client they try to parlay it into even more work by using that company's name.
Then end up with no work.

AaronM 11-27-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592503)
True. :thumbsup Instead of being happy with the contract work they have from the one client they try to parlay it into even more work by using that company's name.
I can see it two different ways.

1: As you mentioned. (greed)

2: They are proud of their work and excited to share it. (pride)

Either way...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

Shap 11-27-2009 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 16592522)
I can see it two different ways.

1: As you mentioned. (greed)

2: They are proud of their work and excited to share it. (pride)

Either way...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
True. For #2 the work is for another company and not their property. So they should get permission.

Roald 11-27-2009 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592536)
True. For #2 the work is for another company and not their property. So they should get permission.
they should get some business sense and permissions wouldn't be needed to start with :2 cents:

AaronM 11-27-2009 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 16592555)
they should get some business sense and permissions wouldn't be needed to start with :2 cents:

Partially true.

Having good business sense can include getting permission if you intend to post the pics.

I have the standard Work for Hire agreements with many companies but I also have permission from each one to use the images on portfolios, sample pages, and so forth.

Good business sense comes into play by not abusing the clients generosity.

james_clickmemedia 11-27-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16592399)
Unfortunately these few did not realize that.

Either they would post images from the set a month before the site was updated or they would post how awesome it was to shoot the scene. Did they have PimpRoll ads in their sigs? No. Did they ask permission? No.
Don't even get me started on content producers....
I will say paying content producers for over 12 years overall has been a positive experience, however trying it has been at times.

I am with Dave 100% on this, he paid for the shoots, owns all the rights so he should be able to control the distribution.
Don't most content producers shoot on a "work for hire" basis!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire

james_clickmemedia 11-27-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 16592624)
Partially true.

Having good business sense can include getting permission if you intend to post the pics.

I have the standard Work for Hire agreements with many companies but I also have permission from each one to use the images on portfolios, sample pages, and so forth.

Good business sense comes into play by not abusing the clients generosity.
Exactly... simple when you know what you are doing.

Roald 11-27-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 16592624)
Partially true.

Having good business sense can include getting permission if you intend to post the pics.

I have the standard Work for Hire agreements with many companies but I also have permission from each one to use the images on portfolios, sample pages, and so forth.

Good business sense comes into play by not abusing the clients generosity.
Ofcourse, was just saying that some people should think a bit before acting. Specially when it's their income ;)))

PS, you never mailed me the model info!

AaronM 11-27-2009 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 16592661)
Ofcourse, was just saying that some people should think a bit before acting. Specially when it's their income ;)))

PS, you never mailed me the model info!

TBH, there are three reasons for that.

1: When I tried editing the info again, I was told that the edit request had been denied twice before and your system asked if I wanted to submit again. I said yes but I'm sure it was denied anyway.

2: Although I own the site in question, most people do not know I own it and I like to keep it that way. Knowing that, if you are contacted about it, it will not be by me. ;)

3: I said "fuck it" and bought the alias domain then pointed it to the proper site. Problem kinda solved without bothering you. :glugglug

Roald 11-27-2009 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 16592679)
TBH, there are three reasons for that.

1: When I tried editing the info again, I was told that the edit request had been denied twice before and your system asked if I wanted to submit again. I said yes but I'm sure it was denied anyway.

2: Although I own the site in question, most people do not know I own it and I like to keep it that way. Knowing that, if you are contacted about it, it will not be by me. ;)

3: I said "fuck it" and bought the alias domain then pointed it to the proper site. Problem kinda solved without bothering you. :glugglug
I wish more people would solve problems without bothering me lol

Cheers!

marcop 11-27-2009 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 16589404)
It sounds to me like Dave got pissed at Nick for posting on GFY that he was the producer of the sites he shot for Pimproll. Some program owners don't like when shooters do that, they don't want their competitors to know their business including who's shooting for them.
LOL... you should know that, Mutt. I remember you told me you approached a site owner as you were trying to get hold of me because you liked my work, and he told you to "Fuck Off".

Mutt 11-27-2009 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by marcop (Post 16592942)
LOL... you should know that, Mutt. I remember you told me you approached a site owner as you were trying to get hold of me because you liked my work, and he told you to "Fuck Off".
haha yes - i was a big fan of Marco's work on SocalCoeds and sent the owner a very polite email asking how to contact the shooter. Andreas is classy, his reply was 'fuck off'.

shame what happened to SocalCoeds - one of the legendary teen sites.

SleazyDream 11-27-2009 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592296)
I have to side with Dave on this one. Shooters and content production is a huge part of a company's competitive advantage. If the information isn't public it's definitely important to the site owner that it doesn't come out.
i'm on the same page here too............

nickey1952 11-28-2009 05:44 AM
Here is the funny part to all of this, I did not create the porn.com logo, It was sent to me from porn.com and every image that was posted was after the site launch and with the permission of the content manager at the time. I do not randomly post stuff that is not suppose to be. I rest my case, enjoy the rest of the weekend.

RadicalSights 11-28-2009 06:14 AM
pimproll drama?

Sabby 11-28-2009 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sextoyking (Post 16585372)
Nice pics Mutt :)

Happy turkey day to all...


Wow Todd... you still here :)


Sabby:)

Semi-Retired-Dave 11-28-2009 11:10 AM
Damn, no more seats on the front row.

ianlester 11-29-2009 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16592536)
True. For #2 the work is for another company and not their property. So they should get permission.
This makes perfect sense to me too.

ReggieDurango 02-17-2015 07:09 AM
this is fucking awesome

Grapesoda 02-17-2015 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by borked (Post 16585248)
Somebody yank the rain chain to flush the loo?
somebody peed in his cheerios I'm guessing :2 cents:

JFK 02-17-2015 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 20395548)
this is fucking awesome
WOW:pimp

PR_Dave 02-17-2015 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 20395548)
this is fucking awesome
It is Justin! It is!!

:pimp:pimp:pimp

The Porn Nerd 02-17-2015 10:44 AM
Well this thread was fun!

Relentless 02-17-2015 12:36 PM
Interesting to see the trajectory of GFY vs the trajectory of PIMPROLL since the time of the original post. If anything, I think it's pretty clear in hindsight that if PRDave had bought GFY in '09 he would have done at least as well with it as it has done for itself.

No idea what happened to Don on the other hand...

ReggieDurango 02-17-2015 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 20395626)
It is Justin! It is!!

:pimp:pimp:pimp
Need drama like this on the regular :thumbsup
it's been quite dry around here

DAMNMAN 02-17-2015 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JackJones75 (Post 16585316)
Haven't worked for Dave for months. And of course I was fired! Really, is there a better way to leave? ;-)

But don't think for a second that I'm some disgruntled former employee!!! LOL!

It was a godsend!

Only reason I'm lurking today (haven't been on GFY since I left PIMPROLL) is because the dude needs an ego check.

Just saying things people with smaller balls won't.

I'm not in the industry and really don't care anymore.

And please don't mistake this for bitterness.

That would suggest that I miss working for Dave.

Truth is, I never liked him as a person. Ever.

IMO, he exudes evil and have the personality of an ashtray.

Soooo.... He fired you but you aren't pissed?
And you aren't in the industry and don't care, but you are on GFY lurking?
Makes sense...... :Oh crap

Last time I didn't care I didn't do anything!!!

Phoenix 02-17-2015 10:53 PM
So...how is porn.com doing?

PR_Dave 02-17-2015 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 20396368)
So...how is porn.com doing?
It does....ok.

Phoenix 02-17-2015 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 20396374)
It does....ok.
Sweet. I know pimproll comverted nicely last time

PR_Dave 02-17-2015 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 20396375)
Sweet. I know pimproll comverted nicely last time
I heard that too.

PR_Dave 02-17-2015 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 20395921)
Need drama like this on the regular :thumbsup
it's been quite dry around here
We don't. We need a conduit to all do more business. Drama is a distraction from making money. You wasted everyone's time pulling out a thread from 2009 that was started by a disgruntled ex-employee. :2 cents:

A solid meaningful biz thread trumps "drama" 10 to 1.

The only good that came of this is my new sig banner.

New 2015 compliant PimpRoll launching next month :pimp

ReggieDurango 02-18-2015 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 20396377)
We don't. We need a conduit to all do more business. Drama is a distraction from making money. You wasted everyone's time pulling out a thread from 2009 that was started by a disgruntled ex-employee. :2 cents:

A solid meaningful biz thread trumps "drama" 10 to 1.
OK "Dad", guess the kids aren't allowed to have any fun this winter.

ReggieDurango 02-18-2015 04:32 PM
KARMA Bump


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