The law says a reasonable amount. You don't have even a hundred friends most of the time.

100% correct. What's funny is how much of loser do you have to be to not be able to afford a 99 cent song? Last time I cheked even Burger King is paying at least $7.25 an hour.

That "time shifting" crap is just that crap. WHY would you need to download stuff to a torrent for later use? If the stuff is already on your computer and DUH there it is. You don't need torrent to access it. The ONLY purpose for a torrent is so you can give out free copies to thousands of your so called friends and they can give the shit they've illegally downloaded to you for free.

If you want to "timeshift" then there's a thing called a DVR, there's also DVD burners. If you want to go old school there's VCR. You can buy the DVD set from wally world. Or you can legally purcahse a digital copy from Itunes, Amazon, XBL or PSN. But of course $2 is to much for cheap ass bums that live in mommy's basement. Also many shows are available for legal streaming on sites like Hulu. Plenty of ways to LEGALLY "time shift" without the use for torrents

considering i have already told you that the guy on the top right is from a tv show which is timeshifted over 1.3 million times a week

you really are stupid for not fixing the picture in your insult.

Find me one reply where I said theres no difference between sharing tangibles and digital products or slap your mother for giving birth to a degenerate like you

what exactly about inferior technology do you not understand moron

dvr have a fixed size hard drive torrents do not
dvr fail if the power goes out torrents just recheck and continue along
dvr can only timeshift a limited number of shows that air at the same time torrents don't care
and so on

if i have paid my cable bill i have already paid for that content, so your get stuff for free bullshit it totally and utterly wrong

this is about forcing me to use an inferior technology so that the $2 itunes seems like a good deal instead.



hulu is inferior it not available in canada, and you must be connect to the internet to watch it (see above)

as for buying it from itunes, it not the cost it the fact i have already paid for that content, and i have a right to timeshift it for free.

i don't like paying twice for the same right.

now if you don't care great send me a check for all your hosting bills

if you don't want to pay twice for something you already paid for why the fuck would you think it is unreasonable for me to have the exact same feeling.

Guys no need to fight, We are all in the same boat :winkwink::1orglaugh

you really need to learn a little about history before you speak, the term pirate had many meanings in the past. The original pirates (those first charged with the crimes on the sea) were actually just committing the act of salvage. An act that was legal, it was only the second iteration those that tried to sink the ships and kill the entire crew so they could claim salvage rights that were "thieves".

the sanctioned form of pirating (privateers) came after that.

if you understood the history of pirates, then you can see how the name the pirate bay is an appropriate term to discribe torrents as a fair use distribution (see salvage).

lol ..... I'm stupid? Why don't you change the sig you are using? You know the one with a contest running June 1st thru July 31st! Or is the contest for NEXT year. :1orglaugh


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yeah and? My gas tank only holds 15 gallons so if I bring some gas containers I can "timeshift" gas from someone's car then.

Also when you "time shift" it's not supposed to be FOREVER. If you watched a "time shifted" episode and you don't have enough room DELETE IT.

If you scratch your DVD guess what you're shit out of luck. I guess that means you can steal another one form wal-mart.

kind of the point Einstein. Not sure where it says you are allowed to "timeshift" the entirety of the history of television.

When you pay your cable bill you are paying to have access to that show AT THAT TIME. Not to have PERMANENT copy of it. When you lease a car do you own it? No.

Sorry you make so little $2 is too much for you to afford.


WOW I am contnually amazed at people in this industry that are so against the pirating of THIER content and bitch about tubes, torrents and such and yet think that downloading a torrent of their favorite TV show is ok because it's "timeshifting". I'm not sure if all these people are hypocrites or just retarded.

Just so we are clear if you pay a monthly cable bill that entitles your to a free copy of every TV show because it's unfair for you to pay twice. So logically if someone is paying for a monthly subscription to a porn site he should be allowed to have a perrmanent copy of all the content on that site beause he's already paid for it.

Now you've done it. Gideon will now argue this thread to 7 pages minimum.

No one posts that kind of common sense on this topic without the eyepatch-wearing parrot-on-the-shoulder-having gideon pie-rat hitting you with wall after wall of rationalization as to why it's okay to take the work of others and profit from it with no compensation to the copyright holder.

No one.

lol... anyway, glad I could teach you history. So now you understand that it can cover both extremes, as the example above? In context it could be infringements, but also theft.

I'm in the middle of a heated discussion about this on another forum -- this argument is regarding movies, music and software.

It seems like the attitude of the debater is directly related to their age. Those with no mortgage payments, family and other responsibilities seem to think they are entitled to everything for free, and will rationalize some of the dumbest points to make themselves feel better about theft. So, I think its mostly younger folks who know that its wrong, but they will never admit it, and almost convince themselves that its OK.

/shake head

distribution of someone elses full works for monetary gain is not fair use. Not now - not ever.

/leave

This goes both ways. Only the ones profiting from old billing models are the ones vocal against this.

Just so its clear, I'm not pro theft however its disturbing the common sense some of our fellow gfyers are showing.

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only if your a world class moron to stupid to understand the words
which anyone with a 4th grade reading and comprehension level understands is exactly what you are doing when you take gas from someone elses car.



really want to show me a vcr that stopped playing an old tape after a certain time limit.
you are talking about taking away rights that the old technology gave you.
How stupid do you have to be to think that is legitimate.




your actually trying to use the arguement that was over ruled in the betamax case to justify your position

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if it was only allowed to be watched at that time, then moving it to another time would have been equally illegal.

The content producers in that case claimed that they licienced the content for "viewing on that specific day at that specific time" when they tried to argue that moving it to another day was a copyright infrignement.

The supreme court ruled against them.







the only hypocrite here is you, since you refuse to pay me for your hosting again, but demand that i pay twice for my content (using an arguement that the court have already ruled invalid :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh)

you believe it unfair for me to ask you to pay twice for the same service but you have no problem demanding that i do.


they do as so long as the content in question was available during the term of the membership

if you grant them full access to everything you have ever produced the copyright act (thru the fair use section) grants them the right to back it up and time shifting etc.

You need to keep the content fresh so they have a justification to keep comming back.

no you idiot theives pretended to be pirates to hide their illegal actitity

look history

the first pirates were just committing salvage of delelict vessels

it wasn't until the first pirate argued that "God" took the goods away from the owner (with the storm that sunk the ship) and "God" granted him the ownership by providing the winds that allowed him to find the sunken ship.

That there was a legal right to be a "pirate"

when that happened thieves (who sunk the ship and killed all the witnesses) were just pretending to be pirates so that they could likewise claim that "God" granted them ownership.

Obviously because it was easier to just sink a ship and then "find" the booty rather then legitimately scour the seas for legitimately sunken ships, those "thieves" usurped the term.

But that does not change the fact that the term pirate was NOT EQUAL to thieves.

If the pirate bay wants to use the term in the context of defending fair use in the same way as the original pirates used it to defend the fair dealing of "Salvage" then that is their right

only an idiot would argue that justifies calling them thieves simply because in the past thieves usurped the term from the real pirates.

So....

If I pay for a month of hosting but don't use it can I timeshift my use to later?

If I pay for a month of cell phone access but don't use it can I timeshift the usage to a later time?

If I pay for a concert ticket but don't use it can I timeshift my listening/viewing rights to a later show?

If I buy a movie theatre ticket but don't go can I timeshift my viewing rights to a later theatre showing?

If I rent a car for a month but don't pick it up do I get to have a free 'timeshifted' car for a month of my choosing next year?

... etc etc etc

NO

posting content in a publically accessable place is not timeshifting - its theft/fraud for profit.

publically posting complete unaltered works owned by someone else is not 'salvage / timeshifting / fair use' - not now - not ever. It is in no way condoned by any fair use provisions. All legal provisions allow for PRIVATE use/backup/storage/timeshifting. In no way does it allow for PUBLIC access/sharing. Clouds/torrents/fileshare technologies are not private.

and thats pretty much where giddyboy fails - PUBLIC vs. PRIVATE.

and he/she/it will fail on that point forever

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oh and btw the high crime of piracy was created to convict people for the attempted hijacking of a ship.

It was a criminal sanction of the fraud of pretending you were doing a legitimate salvage

it was necessary because when "pirates" got caught it was because the ship had guards with enough skill to stop the murder and the theft.

99% of the people on here hated metallica when they sued napster...but now that its our problem we think its a big deal.

The guys on here who always seem to think content theft is fine, are mostly the same guys who do not shoot their own content. Not all, but most.

Then there are the big guys who run the largest tubes, who do both - shoot AND steal content. Hopefully there is a special place in hell for them.

And for those of you who think torrents and tubes are not cutting into adult sales across the board, hit me up, I'm selling a bridge you may be interested in.

exactly why we need the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement

then the gov't will be the 'guards' on our digital ship capable of stopping the rampant copying and distribution of copyrighted works on the Internet by the real theives - and the legal timeshifters will conduct their business as it was intended (online backup in a private manner - not publically shared with anyone)

the 'new' piracy will be acted against just like the 'old' piracy was

and btw - I totally agree with your analysis of what high-seas piracy started as - and what it became - the parallel between the original piracy and the new digital piracy is astounding - and it will (eventually) be dealt with in the same manner - thru legislation and criminalization.

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again only if your a moron doesn't understand the difference between defrauding someone out of potential income and stealing the an actual resource slot


you are using examples where the inventory is reduced, and therefore can't be sold to someone else

you signup for hosting the host has to allocate bandwidth and hard drive space to you even if you don't use it

same with phone number with a cell phone

same with the seat at a theater

same with the rented car.

in every example if that inventory was sold to someone else during that time period you paid for you would dam well be entitled to your money back or a later use.



bullshit if public anything automatically made it an infringement that cable vision would have lost

public transmission is the only thing that results in an automatic infringement status.

public distribution for private viewing (which is the way torrents, RPVR etc work) is legal.
The bit stream may be public but the viewing is not.

jesus this is funny

if you think ACTA is the equivalent to what happened with the original act of piracy then your an idiot

ACTA is the equivalent of the merchant barons having the right to string up any person they accuse of piracy without a trial and without more then i saw you in that harbor so you must be guilty.

you already have more then enough in the current laws to protect you, DMCA actually went to far (it needs a triple damages clause, and the anti circumvention should have been wrapped in fair use restrictions to prevent it from being abused to take way fair use right like backup)

I fucked your mum.

wtf?????????

Looks like he said he fucked your mom.

Maybe he was just kidding. It's impossible to know for sure.

He's a Scientologist, so perhaps it's some sort of code.

I would take this seriously. Could be important!

I started a thread to discuss a big issue threatening the industry and now we are reading each others mind ! this forum is freaky!

You mean well, and your site means well too - Http://www.Degban.com/

In the end however, you are posting on a site called Go Fuck Yourself, so sometimes someone will fuck your mom.

He probably didn't really fuck your mum. He's just a privileged Scientologist.

In the end I think he was probably speaking to gideongallery anyway...

Haha Well said ,,, I didn't really take it seriously I like the dynamic here, I am from a more formal background but I really enjoy the way things work around here, I started the account purely on business intentions but now I am addicted to it!!! so No worries. but more inputs are welcome

I almost spit out my Pepsi... I cherish my Pepsi, don't do that again...lol

Can we get around the usage of the different terms to describe what is killing us all and get back to the point?

Wait what was the point again? Should we start over?

it's my right to share with my buddies a vcr tape of your mom getting fucked.

i think , they want to save money,

The point is pirates should fell guilty and we need to fight back!

The issue is Piracy should be condemned by everyone!

One thing that I have understood is that you guys are unaware of most new trends of piracy and only are focusing on small things such as tubes or obscure technologies like Torrent, further more I think just looking at how to shut down some pirate using conventional rules and laws don't really work!

ironic
 

About a week ago, I was watching the news and in Allentown Pa (I think) a couple was arrested after leaving a dinner for not leaving a TIP.
just thought I'd throw that out there.

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