you can promote us anytime :)

Exactly.

Send us additional traffic and sales - you get paid.

We have been paying for 10+ years.
Nothing has changed.

And your TOS said nothing about that, AND you paid me for the same type of promotion for 3 months, then decided to stop paying me without warning.

This is about the fact that you stopped paying me for no reason (according to your TOS) without any forewarning or even an email telling me to stop my campaign. Instead you let me run the campaign until I emailed you asking about the money I was owed.

Yeah, until you decide that you don't like the way the affiliate is promoting you, then you stop paying without warning.

after 10+ years of paying things changed

ummm, why not just ask google to put him lower than you as you should have trademark.......

my understanding is they do this..... maybe I'm wrong? trademark does have some weight though

then let him bid whatever he wants.....

Figh Fight Fight!

Google will also allow him to forbid certain keywords from being bid on all together. But of course he didn't do this, he would rather an affiliate send him sales and not pay.

if they click on the link it is actual traffic.

I've seen many marketing studies which show that purchasing paid search units for keyword which you are already ranking #1 on produces additional traffic and sales which wouldn't have been generated with the #1 organic spot alone.

My opinion is that the sites did receive the additional traffic and sales that dirty d says are needed to get paid and, accordingly, shoehorn should get paid out on them.

looks like the only person who dont think shoehorn should get paid is dirtyd

Am I the only who finds a lot of what's been written, confusing?

One guy saying he's getting $150 PPS, then $100 PPS when in fact, he's getting $30 PPS. -> man, PPS means "pay per signup" NOT "monthly payout on all accumulated sales"

And the other guy claiming that the first guy is "buying his domain name" in adwords. -> the domain name is "crackwhoreconfessions.com" and NOT "crack whore confessions" <- that title is free game.

Suffice to say that if the second guy really wanted to prevent affiliates promoting his "domain name" in adwords, he'd have put it in the TOS for the first guy to see.

So, PAY THE MAN and move on!

unless you have it in TOS, it's paysite's owner job to rank #1 for the sites he run. if he doesn't someone else will and monetize that.

i would be interested to see that. link or what to google?

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d bags dont pay

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I don't know what's funnier - your post or your hair.

Do you really think that everyone typing in 'crack whore confessions' is looking for the site? Maybe they're looking for content, review / related sites to pump their piston too?

The wording / sales text used DOES bring new eyes to sites. :2 cents:

:2 cents:

That is not in our TOS either... lol


If it is not in the TOS you can cheat... Everyone knows that.

Agreed.
:thumbsup

D,

I to have had this come up a few times over the 12 or so years we have been running proggies....

Personally I don't care if an affiliate ranks higher then us or anyone..

If they send a valid sale / order - they get paid..... Simple as that...

I would just pay and move on...

Peace

Todd

Do the right thing and pay me man.

Leave D alone, looks like he needs that cash. Honestly, not being sarcastic. Why would a guy spend so much time on this? He has all time, no money. Live and let live, consider the cash gone.

How can you possibly say for sure that those who clicked on Shoehorn's paid links and bought memberships would have done so had his links been non existant?

Gotcha. However, if you bid on the word "crack whore confessions" on phrase match, you would need to add "crack whore confessions" as a negative exact match term since phrase match allows the ads to be displayed as long as that text is used in the search query.

IMO wouldnt be a bad idea to display those in the TOS that MUST be in AdWords, Yhaoo, etc. campaigns. Would be a bit difficult to monitor, other than capturing the search query on the landing page from paid ad campaigns.

I have held the 1st search term for a term, and the top ad spot as well. Both send sales. If I didn't have the paid ad it would mean less sales.

Dirty D, this thread will cost you all of your SEO affiliates.

Grats.

In the old days this wouldn't of gotten this far (usually) - we had tons of pissing matches but when it came to pay or no pay, reputation meant everything..... unless one of the parties involved was scamming, etc....

I just belive - you always pay for valid signups / sales..........

There seems to be some confusion here. And a lack of common sense.
All of this has been explained to ShoeHorn while he was lying about purchasing the domain name and claiming he was sending traffic from exits and other sources...

We checked the referral URLs for every shoehorn sale and they are ONLY "Crack Whore Confessions" searches that sent any sales.
No derivitaves... No misspells... no extra keywords... NO SEM other than the EXACT domain name.

All derivitave keyword traffic has always been rewarded.

Here is a link to one such study (you can download the PDF):

http://www.icrossing.com/research/ic...rgy-report.php

Why would anyone want a thread like this over 350?
I know i wouldent, especially seeing as you both have a point......update the TOS imho

Purchased what domain name? I didn't purchase ANY domain name to send you traffic, I merely bid on search terms in Google.

That's what I was thinking - 1 page is bad enough :(

Dirty D, I'll even work with you and let you pay me in payments if that is better for you.

I am not trying to be a hardass here, just trying to get the money that I am owed. :2 cents:

I wonder what he spent his last $350 on

Just pay the man and avoid the negative PR. Update TOS if needed. No need to drag this out over a few hundred bucks

Probably bail for public indecency.

You're an ignorant dick. You obviously don't understand how this works. You assume that if the surfer didn't sign up to your program through Shoehorn's PPC, that they would have clicked on your non-affiliate link and signed up. That's flawed. This is a numbers game. They more clicks on the more links, affiliate or not, the better volume you'll have overall. Online is a numbers game.

Some big programs in mainstream or adult don't allow for bidding on trademarked PPC terms, and some do, or sometimes they'll run promotions where you can bid on them for a limited amount of time. But the fact is, it's all clearly stated. You ignorantly deciding (and not stating anywhere) that certain PPC traffic is "illegitimate" and not paying for it is thievery.

I hope your pride was worth it on this one, it will cost you money. :2 cents:

Probably something like this - http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...rty+d+arrested .

I like Dirty D and I really Like Jenni (not that she is an issue here)...

But this is bullshit.

You cant grandfather a rule that you realize you want to enforce now, especially after shoehorn spent his own money to send you traffic.

They did not search for "crackwhoreconfessions.com" so you are not losing one single type in...

clear a browser... type in "crack whore confessions" you don not get your domain... you get serps with you at the top. Apparently they didnt like your link and chose his off to the side bought link.

You made money on his dime. Not yours.

He dosnt want anymore than whats owed to him perfectly legit by your TOS.

Now like you said earlier, at least this will show programs about this issue. Well that does not exclude you and yours. Just because you found it on your program and didnt hear about it does not give you the right to make riules up based on said issue.

You didnt foresee this beforehand. Its not fraud, its not theft. Pay him his fucking money and move on.

It is on you DirtyD.

Chalk it up to YOU learning a lesson. You DO owe him this cash. Its a minor amount. You may want to scream principle... but you are wrong... especially since you let him keep pushing the traffic and benefitting off of it 3 months before telling him what you thought about it.

If anyone heres is fraudlent at all, its you.

Now please, Save some face and do what is right.