Thanks, but I think his lack of showing himself around here speaks volumes for both his personality and the way he runs a business. If I don't get the money that he owes me I will do everything I can to let everyone know to stay away from him, both here and at the shows.

This needs to be quoted and displayed at the post of this new page.

Dirty D continued to accept my traffic and sales with no intention of paying me. He never contacted me to say he didn't want my PPC traffic. Instead I had to contact him wondering where my payment was, at which point he told me he had no intentions of paying me because he has no knowledge of how PPC works.

It's the biggest slap in the face in this industry, it doesn't matter if it's for $50 or $10,000. We invest our time and money to make programs money, when they don't pay and keep the profits we earned them they deserved to have their reputations shit on.

I'm thankful that all the programs I've promoted have always paid me on-time like clockwork. Unlike this clown they know how to treat the people who keep their businesses alive.

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Wait, is blockbuster video recommending bidding on the term "amazon"? lol :winkwink:

maybe he is having problems with epass. or there is a holiday. or the accountant is out of the office.

Or maybe he's just decided to steal the money. Like the other thieves in this business, they just wait till everything blows over and it's just another day. TOS is the new gun in your back.

That's fucking ownership right there.

Shoehorn - a request. Stop bumping with screen caps, we all know you are right, post some pics of that fox you had on your arm in Miami.

Marketing does not = buying the domain name from google

Marketing = bringing us additional traffic and sales.

I have responded plenty... but unlike all of the fake nicks posting and webmasters without a website living in momma's basement, we are busy over here.

Shoehorn should put the same effort into some VALID promotions.

Remember I have sent him lots of emails explaining the issue.
Tried to find additional referral sales since he lied about the traffic source.
Only 3 of his 37 keyword combinations were a problem.
I tried to work on improving his campaign with good keyword combinations.
Also offered $100 PPS for 30 days for VALID sales.

My offer to work with you was rejected.
This means the only sales Shoehorn is interested and capable of sending is my own domain name from google.

My generous offer of $100PPS for 30 days still stands if you want to show us all what a great PPC ninja you are. The only forbidden term is the EXACT spelling of ONLY the DOMAIN NAME.

Someone please read this out loud for Shoehorn so he can understand that this is the way to get paid.

What a train wreck.

The only solution to this problem is to pay Shoehorn for the money he legitimately earned.

This shows me that you are aware that your lame marketing is not accepted by others.

Why would Block Buster want you to bid on their name?

Same reason I don't.

Are they offering $100 PPS to reward you like I am?

interesting thread...

Not many fake nicks here, but I do see lots of real webmasters, that send real sales saying they will never touch you now.

Man you are a fucking retard to not see it.

This shows us that you fucked up by not including it in your TOS.

this dirty d guy must have some brain problems if he is still saying some shit even if everyone says that he have to pay ... :2 cents:

They have it stated in their TOS! What next, you gonna come up with some other bullshit that isn't stated in your TOS and point to Disney saying "well they have this in their TOS so that means it's implied in mine though it doesn't state it in my TOS.
You better have one of those crack whores come here and do your PR, I bet they can do a better job.

i have pulled my three uniques per month and sending them to another sponsor

Bumpity Bump

Seriously? And i hope youre not referring to me as a fake nick or a mommas basement dweller.

hes showing that legit companies that dont want this method post it up to see before joining as a partner.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THOSE RULES IN YOUR TOS!

You kept taking the sales he sent on his dime, without notice!

You really arent this stupid D i know. youre just being stubborn. but you have to know ifn the back of your mind what youre doing isnt right. Youre just doing it out of stubborness and maybe thinking this is good media for you... Well i dont hink it is.

You kept taking his sales. You didnt notify him.

Id also bet money if this wasnt your issue that you would have left a post in here very fucking similar to mine and many in here. But its not them, its you so youre acting like a child about this...

Jenni is your PR girl right? Does she agree with you and your methods in this thread?

Dirty leave the coke alone, you start to become right out stupid.

I'm amazed that you continually miss the overall point. It seems everyone in this thread gets it but you.

Fact: Blockbuster STATES these rules in their TOS
Fact: YOU don't state anything of the SORT in your TOS

If you don't make your RULES clear, then how can anyone follow them?

YOU fucked up Dirty D. YOU forgot to include your own rules in your own TOS.

It doesn't matter that Blockbuster states it, it doesn't matter if every single other adult affiliate program states it in their TOS, if you DON'T then YOU don't have a leg to stand on. If you were to take this to court it would be pretty cut and dried; pay the man the money he is owed by your company, and update your TOS to reflect your OWN rules.

Your affiliates CANNOT read minds, and your affiliates will not PRESUME that you have rules in place that you do NOT state in your TOS.

It's time to own up to your own mistakes and pay Shoehorn. Being honourable and professional is far more important than keeping less than $500 in your pocket, isn't it?

Swallow your pride and do the right thing! :warning

Since it was not in the TOS I would just pay the $477 and this thread will be over with.

Just my 2cents

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Blockbuster?

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What an oblivious train wreck.

Dirty D...

here is my example... I have a webmaster that promotes our trademark 'xondemand' in google with 'xondemand videos' xondemand movies' etc... as long as the webmaster promotes XonDemand I am good with that...

while I also bid for these keywords my policy is to work with these webmasters and police our trademark... I allow my webmasters to promote our trademark... the way I see it is we have to pay for it so it saves me money if they pay the advertising and it makes the best conversion more then any other keywords, trademarks convert for keywords and some companies allow you to target it's trademark and other do not allow you to target..

I even give you lots of keywords to start with and tools to get more keywords for you...

this is my story and I am sticking to it...lol

I think you have a great program dirty d and I have never heard of any webmaster who you have not paid... I know you are working it out and trying to keep the webmaster happy but maybe your program is not for people who do not want to follow your trademark policy.. ;- good luck and work it out'

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Dirty d quit acting like a maggot

I have worked with Shoehorn for many years on lots of projects. He has always been a joy to work with and an overall great guy. I also know he sends lots of joins to several large companies. At this point it would be better to just pay him the money owed and stop being stubborn and acting like he did something wrong. This thread will not die and it will not be from fake nicks or basement dwellers. This is one of the only threads I have seen every person be on one persons side. Do the right thing and pay him the money owed. Seems like the best choice.

8 pages. Seriously, 8 pages? Over 3+ days? Wow.

As a business owner myself I'm all about solving complaints and getting things turned around fast and with a positive spin rather than fire wall after wall of text at a problem that the masses don't agree with.

In other words wouldn't it have been better to just pay Johnny Shoehorn his 300 bucks or whatever and then let him decide if he wants to take advantage of the $100 PPS deal or discontinue doing business with you, and be done with it? Problem solved, no need for a trainwreck thread, no need to burn your valueable time posting damage control to the GFY shark tank.

And of course it should go without saying you should add some language to your TOS to reflect your wishes on affiliates doing PPC campaigns. Affiliates don't know everything, and the general rule is "when in doubt abide by the TOS". If a rule isn't in there then it's usually assumed that it's not an issue.

Business 101 really. Fix the problem and move on.

This seriously is unfuckingreal. What kind of fucking loser blames fake nicks for his shitty business practices. I know a great lawyer, I believe you can sue his ass for 3 times what he owes you + legal fees...take this fuck to the cleaners!

He can't afford $350, wait till he legally owes you 1000s!

Someone archive this before D pays Eric $350 to delete the thread

i think it's 440 to delete a thread now.

Wow I read 8 pages and there wasn't even a happy ending. I am just going to buy a book next time. Anyone set up PPC for the Amazon program yet.

cliff notes? !

Im pretty sure eric would only delete if OP asked him to... at most removing DirtyD's replies...

Im pretty sure thats how eric said things work... i could be wrong...

Dismissing people who say things you don't like as fake nics and/or losers who live in mom's basement is kind of the GFY equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la la la, I can't hear you!"

Your fucking kidding me right? 3 out of 37 were a problem and your not going to pay him. How freakin ridiculous!

So tell me, is that $477, worth the lost revenue. Don't answer now, come back in six months!

the final scene of frankenstein where the villagers storm the castle.

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Go to Google and type in Google, eBay , Amazon etc

I guess they don't know what marketing is either.

Yes that is marketing. It is called paid per click advertising (PPC), and wish shoehorn would take those keyword phrases that describe your site and send it to one of your competitors with a similar site. That is 100% legit, and is 100% marketing. If he doesn't I might just target all of your keywords and send them somewhere else because you are being such a dumb ass. Then you would be begging shoehorn to do what he was doing to try to get you all of that traffic back since you obviously don't have a clue how ppc works. You really think it's your traffic LMAO... watch it get sent to someone else, then see how much it was "your" traffic.


LOL, I guess I fall into the fake nick / living in momma's basement category since you didn't like that I was one of the many telling you that you are wrong. Thanks for the warning. added to the list of programs I wont be doing business with. :2 cents: :thumbsup

ARE YOU REALLY THAT FUCKING STUPID ??? how in the hell do you even own a program ? Blockbuster for one is trade marked. They have a brand they are worried about and how people use their name, unlike you who has " crack whore confessions". In mainstream this is common practice, in adult it is not. A LOT OF ADULT PROGRAMS WOULD BE FINE WITH WHAT HE DID. YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY, VERY FEW ADULT PROGRAMS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AND IF THEY DO THEY LET YOU KNOW UPFRONT. THAT BEING SAID YOU SHOULD HAVE CLEARLY STATED ON YOUR SITE YOU WONT ALLOW THIS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND OR ARE YOU THAT FUCKING STUPID ? HE DOESN'T WANT A REWARD HE WANTS THE MONEY HE EARNED.

hell NO, I went thru all 8 pages, so should u :winkwink:

Im with shoehorn on this one Just pay him the money ammend your TOS and move on

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Good post, maybe this will get it through his thick head.

everyone should take a deep breath ... oooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm .oooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ..

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DOubt it, been said already... multiple times and ways...

DirtyD is just not thinking right...

dude are you serious?

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22big+tit+whore%22
Results 1 - 10 of about 23,700 for "big tit whore"


Good example:
http://www.google.com/search?q=viagra+sex+xxx

OMG I'm #1 for a 600k+ term..... oh wait when matched exactly only 8 sites match that term.


Back on subject... Shoehorn needs to be paid, bidding on "crackwhore confessions" is not the same as bidding on the domain, and even if it was... this affiliate program never had it in its terms.

I would pull links personally.... or send to a different place.. maybe http://www.realcrackhoes.com/webmasters.htm ???

If the "World famous" crackwhore confessions was pulling a whopping 3 sales a month from a #1 adwords spot bidding on its name, then I have better things to do.

please don't rattle robbie's cage.. i dont feel like weeding through another 50 posts about how he is the greatest affiliate marketer ever... :2 cents: