Have you ever tried using adwords to advertise your own site?

If not, give it a try. A few hundred bucks is all it takes, and you're likely to see results since you'll be able to add a join page promo link directly to the google results - effectively adding a direct alternative to the indirect listings that are there now.

Sorry but do your homework man. You may "think" it's a big word but it has a volume search of 1000 use the adword tool on google it will help your SE business. Crackwhore confessions on the other hand has a 5400 result. A much more lucrative investment. Hell Claudia-Marie has a 201,000 result you might want to start a campaign on that.

I don't think you understand how PPC works. I could be wrong, but I make a living doing PPC and so far everything you've said leads me to believe you're running on old seo advice and techniques.
Glad to hear you're making money though, you could make alot more with the right tools and mind set.

I think if I don't get my money by the next show I go to, I am going to print up fliers that points to a url that redirects to this thread.

Maybe I'll have a shirt made with the url on it as well, and follow JFK around so I can be in all the pictures.

Yeah, I was running some adwords campaigns in 2006. Spent about 20 grand a month (not for Claudia-Marie but another project I was doing). It was okay, I made a profit. Gaining organic spots is sooooo much better and plus it kinda feels good to see the results of your work.

Robbie, I never tried insulting you man. If I wanted to do that I wouldnt use kind words and tell you how I liked actually meeting you and your big ttited whore in person. I love huge tits. I was enthralled when I was engulfed.

When i said people have made more than you its not an insult, its the truth. You may have mad a fortune. But there are people that live and die PPC and make... MILLIONS! If you spend enough you make a ton.

Please dont misinterpret my words for insults. I dont want to insult anyone that hasnt harmed me and I am outspoken so I do my best to maintain both habits. But i simply wanted your opinion on this subject and only it.

IMO DirtyD is breaking his own rules and stealing commissions from an affiliate for his own benefit, shadily. Like you, I met DirtyD very briefly and have known him as an innovator and a good guy in the industry. I initally seen this post and assumed it was some half assed attempt at some mutual PR. But then I read it. I seen from both of their words that it was bullshit on DirtyD's side.

Sorry if youre offended but I do speak my mind on occasion and I meant no ill will.

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Oddly enough Dino from SpankBuxx spent an enormous amount of effort trying to get me to take this deal. Wouldn't pay me for my old rebills -- I never did get paid for 'em -- but kept offering me awesome percentages on new sales if I'd send a bunch more traffic. He couldn't seem to understand why I wouldn't jump at this excellent opportunity.

No - exact on Claudia Marie is 110,000. You're looking at broad (no pun intended). Broad vs. exact is completely different...helps to use the keyword tool correctly. :) Big tit whore on exact is only 260.

I guess he doesn't make such a great living..:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yeah, I'm in the poor house.

I'm sure that all surfers go to "advanced search" and then put the words in the exact search box. Okay. If you say so. I'll go with reality and sales. You continue on with that theory. Just remember these are the same people who use google instead of the address bar. It's just what they are more comfortable with. I'll take the REAL search (or broad search as you say) anyday.

Don't get your panties in a bunch I wasn't talking about you ;)

PayMeDirtyD.com coming soon.

panties un-wadded

Forwarding to the IRS as we speak....

It seems to me, this issue is pretty black and white. Many programs allow affiliates to bid on their domains or domain name keywords; many don't. If Dirty D chooses to be counted among those who forbid it, that is completely his call.

HOWEVER, if it was not a condition in the terms and the affiliate was not told about it, all legit sales until he was made aware of the fact should be paid out. I really don't see how there can be any other side to this story.

For those mentioning "spirit of the law" versus "letter of the law", that isn't relevant here; this is not an affiliate arguing he didn't see in the terms that having Filipinos commit credit card fraud all day was against the program's conditions. This is an affiliate using a popular marketing tactic that many programs DO allow, not having any reason to doubt he should be paid for it.

As for the discussion of does taking the domain name as a keyword take away type-in or organic sales from the program, my thought would be, it really depends on a lot of factors. Are you using the exact domain name, or just the exact name without the extension? If the first result for the term goes to the site's index and the PPC ad goes to a specific tour page instead and leads to sales, do you know that same person would have bought if they came to your index and not that particular tour? No, you don't. I'm sure you can come up with other situations.

Bottom line, I would allow it, but if, as a program owner, you don't wish to, just put it in your terms. :2 cents:

The fact it is over such a small amount of money, really lends itself this is a matter of ego more than anything else (as far as the program is concerned).

Don't worry brother...I pay quarterly taxes as a Limited Liability Corp.
I've paid so much money in taxes over the last 15 years that it's a crime. The government are the real thieves.

Hopefully without stains ..lol

Just fucking with you....good night gfy, hope this is settled by morning!

Out

Just think of all the true Crackwhores you've helps with your taxes and through social aid..

Theres something I agree with.

Damn...just checked...stains front and back! Damn you! Damn you to helllllll! :1orglaugh

Edit: Three Hunnert ShoeHorned CrackWhores

I probably helped a lot of them BECOME crackwhores over the years...

I am still not sure that Dirty D truly understands the difference between PPC campaigns and typeins, and might not realize that my PPC campaigns weren't "taking" any of his sales.

In any case, the facts have been brought to light and it is now a matter of paying something that is owed. I hope he will read peoples responses in this thread and do the right thing.

You people kill me with this shit and fucked up logic. ANY sales from affiiliates is a good sale (unless it was from spam, trojans, fraud, etc...) He is paying money to advertise YOUR SITE. He could just as easily be targeting the phrase " crack whore confessions" and sending it to another similar type site owned by another company instead of your site. There is no guarantee that you would have gotten those sales even though you seem to be so sure that you would. Bitch when people target your domains and send them to another company, don't bitch when they send them to you.

In these times when most affiliate programs are crying to get sales, you are going to cry because you are getting sales. :upsidedow unbelievable.

a never ending thread

Unless he decides to pay me what he owes me. :)

wow you are so cool. :thumbsup

Yep. :1orglaugh

No, but I'm proud when I work at things and see results. I have no problem with that. What's the old saying? "It ain't braggin' if it's true"

I work hard as hell and always have. If most people that are in this biz would put in the time and effort they could be "cool" too. Including you.

Just finished my updates. Another long day of work. Enjoyed spending my in between moments arguing points with everybody. Off to bed now. Later y'all.

Mickey-AWE sig:


I am hijacking this thread to say your sig is fucking ridiculous!
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no understanding of PPC, that's what this is.
Some of the bigger mainstream companies have both organic listings and do PPC.
I'd be curious what would happen if an affiliate with great SEO skills got the top 3 organic spots?

Good thing I saw this thread, had a HowIGotRich campaign lined up with $500-day budget that just got erased
The risk is simply not worth it. And any affiliate promoting this program should be on their toes, since who knows what new rule may be made 3 days from now that will cost you yours comissions

Its fucking retarded isnt it...

7 Pages long and you still haven't gotten paid. Talk about some bad rep. Here's to hoping you get paid.

thanks for the advice. I guess i better start working then because I only work a couple hours a week as it is now, i spend most of the time sitting on my ass doing nothing. :1orglaugh Robbie you are allways good for a laugh and one of the few people on here that I disagree with almost all of the time, so knowing you, you will take that as a compliment. enjoy it.

it's not pretty - this is why it's a smart move for any program to invest in internal traffic sources.

problem is hiring a internal "corp" seo guy vs seo based affiliate is like fedor vs silvia

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Robbie, wtf, lost total respect for you, you're just out to troll and nothing else. Pathetic really.

It's black and white, it was't in the T&C, he should be paid. I fought 8 months with those assholes at william hill (UK betting co) over a 5 figure payout over the exact same thing. End result, I eventually got paid, they updated their terms, I never did business with them again. That was 6 years ago. I can't believe program owners are still so retarded.

Seven page thread over $350, unbelievable

Troll hea!
 

Hi Robbie! Nice to meetcha, I was jus wondering... You do know this thread isn't about you don't you? Ok now, enjoy the rest of your life... :thumbsup

You're a piece of work!