I have only saw one guy, my very first night playing, who was playing $400.00 a hand like that. He ended up leaving with a few grand, but he was down big time and on the ropes before battling his way back. I want to say he left with $3800.00 that night.

While I am sure it could be more common in bigger city casinos, or Vegas. Few I have seen with that kind of PHAT bank roll to pull it off. Or play like that. It is not to say they do not play in the back room, at $25.00 min. per hand. I just have never seen any beyond that one dude.

There ya go exactly. Martingale. I read a book somewhere. This was years ago and I thought NOONE around here knows about this.

But yeah in Blackjack a variation could be successful but yes you would need a bankroll and of course the odds of a disastrous night losing 15 in a row hang over your head. That method has almost guaranteed small results for a few nights but you have to put a money bag on the other side of the odds teeter-totter every night. :)

only 100$ to play with? whats the minimum bet .. 1$?

here in montreal the minimum table is 25$ per hand unless its packed and then 15$ minimum appears

Typically the tables on the floor are $5-15.00 min. bet. You can go into the backroom and play $25.00 per hand if you like. I typically will play at the $10-15.00 tables.

However, that varies based on how busy they are. Some days all tables are $5.00. But I prefer to play on one of the higher tables on the main floor simply to avoid the table jumpers. Or I should say,... minimize them.

man this is bringing back memories. i've done it myself. several times on win streaks (several, hell, many times) i've played 3 hands. the biggest i ever won was one dude playing one hand, and me with three. huge night. min 200 a bet, more for extra hands. i pulled in 20K that night.

i'm glad i quite lol. so addictive. chips everywhere!

Yeah, the dealer dude who told me about it swears by that method. I guess he goes three times a week, and typically says he plays until he wins $500.00 and goes home. However, he said he has also lost all $500.00 as well.

However, he said over 3 years he has tracked everything in a book at home. Winning, losing, how he played and so forth (which had given me the idea). He said that method has served him best over the past year to year and a half.

But you can take it for what it's worth. It was an interesting discussion all the same, and lead me to read up on the different techniques and tactics. I tried some of them a couple of them, and simply did not care for it.

Impressive!!

If memory serves, at this casino you can only split ACES twice, and take one card each. You can only play two hands at once, and you have to have double the minimum on each of them.

I guess the rules can vary, even in Michigan, depending on WHICH casino you play at.

yeah man, it varies greatly. you can play three hands in Edmonton, Alberta (where I mostly played). in vegas, at some of the casinos you can take over an entire table and play every hand yourself. crazy stuff.

in argentina, anything goes, you can play the entire table yourself. i've never done this lol, but it's quite a spectical.

It can be fun and exhiliarating if your on a good table and things are cooking. It is pretty hard to really take the social aspect out and as you say make the long drive to sit in a corner working the martingale on a roulette table.

Or similiarly playing alone in a high stakes room or just playing alone all the time. I hated playing alone with just me and a dealer on reg stakes. Seems you always lose plus it is more ackward to get up right away when you can smell a hot, cocky dealer who immediately rubs you wrong or is real cranky and emotionless which is even worse.

I liked getting on a hot table. At least then you had fun and maybe walk out a winner too. :thumbsup

Far from a gambler, guess because I always wanted sure bets, did not have an addictive personality, plus my brain is just way to logical. Knowing someone has a set advantage over me 100% of the time turned me off from most games of chance.

I very much do know how to play bj, it is far from foreign to me. I just play it with a different mind set. I sit at the table with a set amount of cash that I figure I will end up spending, just like I would at any other form of entertainment function. I do not play stupid, when I am playing I will play to win, it just has no real "system". I know all to damn well objects like cards, dice, whatever do not have memories. I know that an assclown sitting next to you may mess your game up in your head but in reality what did they really do? You can think that 10 should of been mine if he did not hit on a 17, you just have no damn clue or odds that the 10 would of been there in the first place. Guess I am just saying I will stick to what gives me the best odds, play until either I run out of my fun money, or I will stop spending my original bank once I have doubled it. I also set my time playing to 6 drinks max - non alcoholic. I drink at a certain pace and once I finish my 6th and have my 7th on the way I get up the second it arrives and cash out. That typically means 2-3 hours of play max.

Our local casino used to have certain nights of the week where a player could buy the bank. That was about the only time it really caught my interest as a money situation. Not often that you get to act as the bank for a table of players. Of course you needed a good sum of money, even at a low table. Think the minimum was 500 at the 1/2 table. You could sell it back at anytime though.
Ever want a real pisser - play the bank and lose your money. Especially when someone goes on some unfuckingbelievable roll where they can do no wrong. They win or get 21 on everything. Fuck they can hit on an 18 and still get 21, which she did.

after my business took off, and i quit playing bj, i used to go to the local casino, buy a drink, and just watch it all. it's really fucking creepy, once you are completely removed from it. all of these people, wasting away their lives, same people, day in, day out. 16 hours or more a day. where does all of this money come from to continue the fantasy over and over? i feel bad for them, even though it's really just their own weakness.

another nasty thing is the vlt's in bars. you will see guys/girls that spend their entire day and night at these things. insane.

Craps is a better game

which casinos in Vegas are the best for bj? I wanna try out my luck there :)

My friend, Bill Zygot, was a musician in the Casinos for 20-25 years and he was an avid Blackjack follower and player. He wrote a book about Blackjack that Casinos are loving to hate. Many of your ideas are just plain wrong and it is total luck you are doing ok. The majority of players will lose using what you say. You should read this book ... and especially look at the #1 rule in Blackjack. It will save you tons of money. I have used Bill's method at Reno, Las Vegas, Michigan Indian Casinos, Bahamas and others too numerous to mention............and, I HAVE NEVER WALKED AWAY FROM A BLACKJACK SESSION A LOSER....NEVER. I am retired and financially sound so I don't need to go to a Casino every day of the week. I really go for fun and a change. I love to see the tourists just plainly make mistake after mistake. It's simply entertainment for me. Here is a link for his book and good luck in the future:

How to Win at Casino Blackjack

There is NOT a 100% house advantage in Blackjack and there is a METHOD (not system) of playing where you CAN win using common sense. :)

How to Win at Casino Blackjack

You CAN beat the house using their rules. :pimp

gambling is or idiots

I feel, and have thought, the same way.

Especially when I see the less fortunate in there almost every time I go.

A sure way of LOSING money. Unless you count cards and know that ratio of non-10 cards to 10 cards is 2:1 then it's a sucker bet.

Yeah. Some have told me that personally, plus I stumbled across some interesting reading when doing my other Blackjack research. I know it is a popular game. It is always very busy at the craps table, from what I have seen, anytime I pass it.

:2 cents:

There must be a lot of gambling places where you live?

Sure is...........NEVER NEVER take insurance. Why do you think the house sort of begs you to do it...........simple, it's in their favor and makes them money.

...and you are posting on an adult industry message board...

why?

I just lost all my money...

My biggest problem LOL

:winkwink:

What I enjoy, and lazycash alluded to this earlier, is that in the end it is still gambling.

I could, and have a fair number of times during my experiment and logging, played at the exact same table(s) with someone playing by "the rules", with the same bank roll (or more) and have seen them lose their ass. Same as many BJ vets have seen people who do not follow "the rules", playing crazy, or more like ignoring the basic strategy, and win a shit load.

As I have repeatedly mentioned, part of it will come down to HOW you play. If you play for a day, or long stints. Mathematically, following the basic strategy, you should win. If you are playing in short burst, hit and run, you are going to be able to be more flexible with how you play, and basic strategy. Including card progression, or progressive betting (if you use those).

In the end it's gambling, mathematics and luck.

It's real simple.......I have dozens of porn domains and make easy money in the adult industry......so, I read GFY and other boards. :upsidedow

nope, actually they aren't any in Whistler (snowboard/ski resort town, which i've owned in for 6 years and lived in full time around 4 years now). there are plenty in Vancouver (around a 90 minute drive), though i've never been to one. I grew up, and went to university in Edmonton, Alberta (kind of like the Canadian equivalent to Texas), there are a fair number of casinos, and TONS of the vlt's at every shitty bar.

when is your next day to hit up the table?

If you've made money playing/thinking this way, you've just been lucky, that's all. Most of what you say is wrong or based in superstition.

This doesn't matter, as long as you're not doing soft doubles, doubling down on 10/11 is a +EV play.
Wrong. The dealer will still make a hand more than 50% of the time with any of these showing. If memory serves, an upcard of 5 only has about a 43% chance of busting. But yes, doubling down, even soft doubling is +EV.

It depends on the count. With a true count of < -3 I'll just hit on a 7+ up.

True if surrender is not allowed. I'll surrender two 8s with an 8+ up.

Wrong. In a fresh shoe you're going to draw TJQK 4/13 times. You will then, not draw it 9/13 times. Maybe you meant it the other way around? (I hope).

Wrong again. Buy insurance when the count is right. If you have 20 consisting of two tens, without knowing any more information, you should be less inclined to buy insurance as that's two tens that cannot be in the hole.

Right about progressive. Wrong about flat betting (unless you sit out hands when the count is bad, which was my style when I played). You will lose money in the long term flat betting. The average blackjack game has a house edge of ~0.80%. It follows why flat betting with no other count-based action is -EV

Depends on the count, again.

Superstition but if it works for you, so be it.

Superstition.

There is no "magic right flow" which needs to be followed. This again is superstition. If someone is not playing basic strategy or along with the count, it has no effect on the +/- EV of your play. I've seen crazy players "mess up" someone's double down and I've seen crazy players help someone's hand. There's no way to know in advance and the only thing that can be said is their play is -EV and hence, crazy.

I played blackjack for a while and used Wong Halves with a 0-5x spread (0 when the true count was < -4 by sitting out-made the old asian women PISSED). I quit because I was spending way too much time playing blackjack, it's addicting and really isn't that much fun anymore....

At any rate, just wanted to correct some of your statements. But if it's working for you and you're having fun, then great!

I gamble probably 350 days a year, give or take 15 days :2 cents:

life would be boring without gambling

my tip is: its all bullshit unless: either you r playing alone or everyone else is playing the same way

True dat. Gambling, and making money. It's all good. Moving on.

Getting back on point for those experienced players...

Do you ONLY play blackjack, or do you bounce between a few games? Some of the regulars I play with tend to bounce from BJ, to slots, craps, roulette, texas hold me or 3 card.

So for example, if they lose their ass at BJ. They go play something else, make some money, come back a few hours later, and so forth. They are dedicated players I guess, and play for long stints, or days on end.

I bounce

slots, craps, table games, poker, horse races, online poker and sports, etc...

I try not to gamle. One less addiction to worry about, lol :)

Good reading all these posts.
Ive all but retired from the dirty game of Blackjack. I hate it, I really do.
I know the math inside and out. All the diff systems.

Ive played with the best from Hollywood Dave to some of the MIT crew.

In the day (just several years ago) my bank roll would be a 15k buyin.

Play two hands avarage play 200.00 per hand. Thats 400.00 total per hand was the tracking rate.

Depending on the climate that rate could cruse around 1600.00 total per deal and peak at over 2k. As low as 200.00 per deal when riding out the bad shit.

Over the years ive tried many "theories" and systems. But when it comes down to it Math is king. Numbers dont lie.

Never hitting on soft anything when the dealer shows break is a very silly mistake. When playing you live for oppertunity like this. Its about having the max amount of money out there when an oppertunity arises.. Dealer shows 3,4,5,6 and you have a soft anything as you call it you hit that shit. Soft 12,13,14,15,16,17, you hit that shit.

The real pros do have some dispute though however.
One on going dispute in some of the new theory is about splitting aces in the situation of the dealer holding 10.. The old play system is to split. But the new era of pros do not do this anymore. They take the hit without a split..
Why?? after all it does reduce the odds of winning that hand.. Its becasue it increases your odds of protecting the bankroll. Bankroll is the key..

Bankroll management and having enough of it to sustain a good deal of play is critical and where the casinos make the money.

Even the best of players will lose mathmatically if they only have 400.00 to buy in with and play 25-50 bucks a hand. But this is a typical buyin at the casinos.

Often too many people look at the math of hitting and sticking cards but know little about bankroll management and how much you actually need for these "book" stratgies to work.

Awesome fucking post man!!!
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