I'd rather people just guess my level of ed'sm vacation.

business management

Well... current attending. Voted yes

I'm far from rich. :Oh crap

Yes, but still not finis

the amount of people who never went to university spend as much time trying to convince themselves and others it doesn't matter as it would complete a phd program.

if it means nothing why do people spend most of their lives whining about it?

where does this thread describe a "phd program" in the firstplace?

people are sheep they do what they are told that is why.

if i spend 7 years learning something i will be good at it, has nothing to do with school, others will work on something for 7 years and still suck at it. school is no divider.

Schooling should have some tangible difference ,, good or bad, no?

Agreed.

You can typically tell, in a conversation with someone, if they are formally educated or not.

:2 cents:

i'm just saying you whine about it a lot for something that supposedly doesn't bother you.

sure you don't need a degree to be successful, but those that do on average make more than those who don't. pretty simple.

im not whining i am discussing, i could care less if people agree with me or not. i am firm with my opinions but i have no problem listening to someone elses take on things.

if you are ok with being average then that is fine with me.

i dont like how society in general compares such averages when this kind of stuff you cannot compare as it boils down to an individual.

if someone wants to find an data to back up just about anything it can be done.

i will go ask 100 people in the ghetto with a degree how much they make then go ask 100 people without one in a rich neighborhood.

is it just about the money or should there be any other results too?

Well that proves my hypothesis.

Its definitely not just about the money.

My parents used to plead with me to go to university when I didnt want to go. I was basically forced and I can tell you that im different person than I would have been without it. The way I think, the way express myself, the way I see the world, my etiquette, my understanding not to even consider the skills and knowledge i gained.

People who've been to uni generally are open to knowing more ie thirst for knowledge and being well informed - well that too is a major asset.

Yep went to Montana State University majored in Business Management and minor was computer science.

Gary

You wont follow because you dont have the education and you wont miss what you dont have. If you're born blind you might not see as much benefit in being able to see. Only other people will see the difference in you.

Ultimately any education will help in any business or vocation of any description (subject matter being irrelevant) but the benefits are much more far reaching than that.

No. I did not attend University.

Made way over a million since entering IT Sales in 1998. There are plenty of folks I have worked with on sales teams that DID have advanced degrees that were not able to find success in sales based on "people not doing business how I learned you do in school"

You cannot learn how to hustle if you are not a natural hustler.

very well said

I think if you combine education and business and have a business oriented mind you become extremely successful. But is success only about money?

Nope.

I took the money that my parents had saved for college and used it as a down payment on a house as soon as I turned 18. Was still in high school. lol

Anyway I rented it out for the next 3 years because I wasnt ready to move out of my parents house and used all the monthly income to pay the mortgage. Now its 7 years deep and its paid off.

School just isnt for me.

Nice post.

The statistics indicate the likelihood that specific circumstances correlate to (and possibly cause) relative advantages or disadvantages.

Being away of such correlations allows you to analyze the mechanisms behind them, which you can subsequently utilize for your own personal gain.

I'd venture to say that refusing to acknowledge and exploit those mechanisms means you're actually less likely to be successful regardless of education, since a firm grasp of reality is one of the fundamental requirements of success.

In a way, it's ironic. Apparently, some education is needed to understand the value of education. I suppose that could be one of the reasons that social mobility is lagging - educated, well-off, educated parents acknowledge and teach their kids the importance of education, while uneducated parents do not.

No. Or rather: hell no.

While statistics can obviously be manipulated, assuming that that makes them worthless altogether is entirely asinine.

Compare it to A/B-testing in online sales. Sure, if you wanted to you could screw up relative ratios by sending only pre-qualified leads to page A and only blind clicks to page B, but any astute observer would quickly realize that something was fishy on closer analysis of the data.

Despite the potential for inadequate test designs, A/B-tests have an obvious value in maximizing your conversions. Unless you can point out flaws in the method of data acquisition, errors in the statistical analysis, or conclusions unrelated to the study, the result of an A/B-test is far more likely to yield relevant information than your own gut feeling.

Likewise, statistical analyses of the relation between education and earnings carry far more weight than your own personal beliefs, unless you are able to point out flaws in the specific studies themselves. The overwhelming amount of available studies with the same conclusion on this particular matter, however, would seem to indicate that either these conclusions have some truth to them, or that there is a vast global conspiracy at work.

Personally, I would consider the former to be the more likely conclusion. But maybe that's just me.

Here's a hint for improving the value of your proposed study: ask 100 people in the ghetto and 100 people in a rich neighborhood whether they have degrees.

As broad a generalization as Metaman.

I've worked with college grads and above and many had zero common sense or work ethic.

It really depends on the person. Some folks are aware and ready for the world at large without the need for higher education. While, others like myself, benefited from the time spent. I graduated with an English degree.

Sure, I would rather not have the huge loan amounts. Though, who cares. I will be paying it off for the rest of my life. It just "is" at this point. : )

I majored in Psychology and absolutely loved it.

Maybe 10-20% of applicants who come to us for an interview with a Bachelor's degree in computer science, computer engineering, or a similar field can't write a function to take in a number and return two times that number when asked to do so in any programming language they choose. These are graduates with degrees from large legitimate universities.

Of the 80-90% who can, maybe only 1/3 of them actually "get it". The rest simply went through the motions and got their degree. "I'll get a good job if I just finish 13th-16th grade" seems to be the mentality of most.

A degree isn't what it was 25 years ago. Everyone goes now. Everyone graduates now. Even a lot of people with their Master's don't know what they're doing or talking about. They paid their tuition, showed up, and got their degree.

Years back, Google ran an ad looking for talent. It listed out their requirements, a relevant degree being one of course. However, at the bottom they said something along the lines of "Or if you've been writing code for fun in your basement for 15 years, we want to talk to you too".

Having a degree certainly doesn't make or break someone. It doesn't hurt, but its not undeniable evidence of knowledge or skill. Far too often these days people have more education than ability.

(This of course applies to the computer field. Good luck trying to become a doctor or a lawyer without a degree.)

Bullshit. Life isn't about being cutthroat, nor about money. College is one hell of an experience and you get what you want, and how much you participate. Most of the multimillionaires I know went to school and grad schools and are in jobs that aren't morally questionable(adult). People that don't go to school are just lazy and antisocial.

Ah yes, the whole "Sheep" argument, aka weak justification. I'd rather go to college and experience 4 years of social and psychological growth than sit on my computer day in and day out designing porn galleries.

people who work on the internet have a very distorted view of life and economy and such.

on the internet it is possible for someone with a computer and some hustle to be successful, but for 99% of the population income = education.

Yes. I studied psychology.

Yes :)
Im a Fashion Designer

and I have my certificate in
fitness trainer

Uhm, why are you posting here if you think adult is morally questionable? Is it because you didn't go to school?

Yes ... and the first thing I was taught was how to spell

UNIVERSITY

Well said.
:thumbsup

you make it sound so easy "a computer and some hustle" you people make me laugh.

everyone and their dog would be on the internet if they could but they CANT, just like not everyone can become a good lawyer.

who is talking about sitting around an designer porn galleries? you are just pulling up things that do not even have anything to do with the topic at hand.

i have spent longer than 4 years developing my business skills and craft. i have put in more hour and more study than any person i know who went to college or university. so because it is outside the norm of societies methods it is not "psychological growth"? where is your argument. you have none.

everyday i am reading, expanding, talking, making contacts, always staying ahead of the game. i have never sat around and jacked off all day to porn submitting galleries thinking i was going to become rich.

i dont need to wait for class to start my learning, i do it myself.

you sound like a stuck up rich white kid..

were your parents rich?

school is expensive the only people i know who can afford to go to school for "social and psychological growth" are rich daddy kids who have no idea about the real world.

Couldn't agree more. When it comes to anything related to computers / programming I would take a person with 4 years of experience over someone fresh out of a UNI and day. Obviously there is some professions that REQUIRE you to have that higher level of education (ie: doctor, lawyer, etc), but the fact is in most of our fields - work experience is way more valuable. Not knocking people who have it, as I would like to go back and get a degree at some point, but to say that without a degree you wont succeed in life is total bullshit. Just my :2 cents:

for some brains
 

I went yesterday the BEST head EVER !

no, got accepted to M.I.T but couldn't afford it.
so i started shooting porn instead!

UCLA B.A. Economics, Accouting minor.

That kind of deductive reasoning can only be inspired by someone who wasn't educated. I'm assuming you didn't go to school. And yes, I think adult is morally questionable. At the same time, it's a 1st amendment right and I support the constitution.

I made 150k for 2 straight years and I quit to pursue law school. And I made that money with 5 minutes of weekly work. Hmmm.. Sounds like money ISNT the only thing in life. Educate yourself.

Ah yes, the typical antisocial remark. "Who cares about bettering yourself and meeting people when i can sit on my computer, get fat, and design porn galleries". You've taught me a lot.

does college count...lol

My 6 year University experience was great for me educationally, and enriched my life tremendously.

I quit high school midway through my Senior year (at the encouragement of the local police that were onto, and none to happy about, my love of marijuana). I took my GED the day after I dropped out of High School (which I passed with flying colors), and shipped off to US Navy Basic Training (aka Boot Camp) by weeks end.

I started attending college while still in the Navy through various extension programs. I also attended advanced technical training schools while in the Navy.

Upon my discharge, I enrolled and was accepted into a state university. The GI Bill was of great assistance. I also quickly became involved in the student government and was able to earn stipends during four of my six years, serving in various capacities, including a seat on the Student Union Board of Directors, and Vice-President of the Associated Student Body, where I was Chairman of the Board of Directors.

I started as a Social Work major, decided that I enjoyed research more, and switched to a Sociology major, and eventually settled on a more esoteric path, choosing History as my major (I planned to teach college and write books).

I voraciously devoured textbooks, absorbing all kinds of information. I sought out classes in Art History, Archaeology, Philosophy and Psychology. Meanwhile, I developed my social conscience as well, leading the largest political activist group on campus (Students for Peace), and participating in several other groups (such as the Anti-Apartheid "Mandela Coalition").

To this day, I cherish my university experience.

I made lifelong friendships, received an incredible education, and learned so much about myself and the world around me.

Strangely enough, I picked up some transferrable skills in computers and management along the way, so that I jumped straight from college into the corporate world and soon moved into management, where I remained until deciding to venture out into starting my own mainstream business almost a dozen years ago.

My mainstream business soon flourished, and I suddenly had the money, time, and opportunity to start-up my adult enterprises.

There have been plenty of ups and downs along the way, but all-in-all, I feel that I have led a charmed life, and have had some incredible experiences along the way, which I would probably not trade for anything (except for lots more money, LOL).

I wish that I had time to study as I once did, although I don't think that I have ever stopped learning.

As I get older, I am making more time for myself, to do things that I may not be able to do decades down the road, because I do not want to miss the chance. That has also enriched my life.

The important lesson that I learned from college (and from life in general), is to take responsibility for yourself and your education. Don't be a sheep. Learn to think and act for yourself. Set goals, and realistic milestones for achieving them, and then break your balls to realize your dreams...

:2 cents:

Almost forgot to mention that there is lots of good pussy in college too, although I learned to love women with big brains even more than women with big boobs. :upsidedow

ADG

Perfectly said.

I went for three years and dropped out once I realized I was making more money than I ever would at a normal job. :pimp Kinda wish I just didnt stop going to class and waited for the semester to end, but oh well

I have BBA degree

I've almoste Master of Science, last year.