as usual the so-called expert doc is wrong again. anyone actually take that guy serious?

No, the guy gets stoned and thinks he's a brainy genius. Anything from politics to tube sites, he knows it all. :1orglaugh

Coming from trolls, I take this as compliments.. :thumbsup

That was pretty funny.

Same question.

best thing I have seen this year

Monetizing is far different from lieing, conning and abusing customers.
Noone minds honesty and that's why they'd have no complaints.
It sounds as though you don't know what I'm talking about :2 cents:


Like you're injecting your opinions on something that doesn't even concern you? seeing as you don't even have your sites reviewed.
I can't see this one skewing the truth or trying to "sell" the sites. They're just showing what's involved in the signup process and that the sites have what they state on the tours. They're showing that sites CAN be trustworthy. There's no way that's a bad thing.

I can only say for my sites but with most review sites sending ratios of less than 1:100 and some at less than 1:20, regularly, I find that statement pretty funny. I just wish some of them had more of that worse quality quality traffic.
Maybe you, or their surfers, don't like what the reviewers say about your sites?

I agree with you. It's for a particular surfer. I'm just pointing out that I don't think they really compete with the majority of review sites. Their target audience is hardcore porn fans who are looking for in-depth reviews. A lot of review sites are looking for search traffic for any number of phrases. They're not making sales necessarily on people looking for reviews (they still do), but on people searching for "sitename pics" or "sitename aurora snow scene".

I do think there are different kinds of people who read reviews too. I'm someone who prefers to skim so I'm not a huge fan of video reviews where you kind of have to watch the whole thing to get what you want.

In any event it'll cater to a particular set of surfers but I don't think it's really competition for text review sites who are using their reviews as a means of bringing in search traffic.

If I remember correctly they said they would point out xsales, and crap... that isn't conning or abusing, it's legit sales. Cancel offer emails, legit emails...

All of that, does not need to be pointed out, it's ALL legit.... but it damn well appears to be getting pointed out.

So you're theory is wrong.


What makes you think it doesn't concern me? Simply because my sites aren't reviewed (I won't allow them to review me) but that doesn't mean my client sites aren't or won't be.


Review sites do skew the truth, they do not sell the paysite.... 90% of the reviews on review sites do not correctly reflect what the paysite is selling.

Simply because you show the tour in the video, doesn't mean you're selling what the tour states. Actually, we can see that they aren't doing that already but being video it could easily change.




I have converted illegal piracy traffic at 1:10 before with over 100 sales in a day, every day for months, to a single paysite.

It's not like that is king either...


Don't think I'm hating on this review site, because it's THIS review site... oh nooooooooo. I have been the #1 hater of review sites from day one. I was the first program with rules and I banned many review sites, and I have said over and over, don't let them control your reviews - they will change them but you have to ask.... and it's pretty clear cut, review sites don't have a clue about paysites..

Sadly every time the buyer feels he's been let down on what he's bought he gets more educated. Maybe it's the attitude that we don't educate him that has led him to give up buying.

Agreed and hopefully the will change this.

Somewhere this business has gone VERY VERY wrong. Telling the buyer about things he wishes to avoid is a good thing for the buyer and keeps him buying.

This business is not based on the millions of surfers, it's based on the very tiny percentage of buyers. Every time one of them decides to stop risking his CC or email address on a site that wants to squeeze him that percentage gets smaller.

I'm someone who has been in the business over 30 years and still in business after a year that would have closed most other people. I think those trolls are spot on. Disapointing a buyer in no way to sustain an industry.

Clearly you didn't read what I said... I'm 100% talking about telling the buyer the absolute truth, actually doing a real review of the paysite based on what the paysite is selling... vs. the opinion of the reviewer of the members area.

I have made it more than clear covering scams or scam billing methods, whatever you want to call it, is perfectly fine.


Only a marketing buffoon would think up selling a member, in legit ways is bad, and/or should ever be covered in review video about a paysite....

You have no idea what the surfer wishes to avoid.. It's not like you actually montetize these ways and can actually make any input on the subject..

If members hated them so much, your cb's would show it, your refunds would show it, your retention would show it... your complains would show it. Your bank account wouldn't show what it does showing that the members not only want it, accept it, buy it, like it and ask for more.

When you build a relationship with people and sell them bad ass shit.... you can sell them, and sell them, and sell them, and sell them.... that's how it REALLY works.


And either because you're old or like the others and not actually educated or trained in actual marketing methods that work... but you do like to sit here and pretend that you do when others have a proven history of it working, all over the Industry.

If this business had been so honest in dealing with it's customer base it would have more customers. Porn buyers are mostly repeat buyers they buy month after month, ask any porn shop or mail order porn company. Keeping this buyer happy should be paramount because he's the guy who puts food on the table.

If telling him him about the way a site monetizes itself puts him off from buying from that site he buys from another site. He does not stop buying. Doing things to him that he wishes to avoid eventually stops him buying completely.

Yes I with you point about review sites having reviews by people not into buying or even understanding the niche and too often being a webmasters review. But all reviews are based on the opinion of the reviewer be it film, restaurant or what ever.

Yes you're right. For 30 years I've been doing it all wrong. :1orglaugh

A review... is about a product or thing... If I'm selling the largest red apples ever, and you review them and simply taste them and say blah, these aren't the best... and you write how my apples just aren't as good as Joes Apples or how you like your Apples, that isn't a review - it's an opinion.

When you like something and you review it, you want others to taste it... even if the places is a shit hole, they said they had the best buggers and dammit, they do! P.S. Watch out they try up sell you Beer!


Selling the buyer what the site offers, sells more people.... because more people are willing to buy than you're giving them credit for, probably because your not selling them at all, most paysites don't.

For 30 years you have been selling content.... content isn't selling like it once did. Now you have to sell the people, you have to monetize in ways, that cover the holes you lost. And it works.

10 years ago damn near anything sold online... not just in porn, anything. Today, you can't toss up crap to just anything, and make money, in any niche. You have to build relationships or know what people are buying and connect people to that.

Thinking this is only porn buyers (not buying because of whatever theory you have) because it's the world you see, is your mistake, this is global, every market, every industry, every niche online.

man, i already told you on pimpin: i like you!!:thumbsup

pretty interesting.Thanks for the effort

Again thanks for the positive comments!

To the Doc and many others, The review site situation has become a mess both user based reviews or some private reviewers review. If you strictly rely on review sites before buying something to eat, one would starve to death. What I mean by this is, if you ever tried to look up reviews to restaurants, one guy says it’s great the other says it’s terrible and the end user cannot make a decision. The truth is both of the comments may be truth but so many things is a personal taste. The sites featuring stars (3 ½ stars out of 5) again just confusion.

It’s like mainstream movie reviews, pick a movie you like and look up reviews, you’ll see that tons of people will say it was boring and bad etc. Same goes if you look up hotels to stay in etc. User comments should be called “ConfUser comments”. In addition as the FTC recently revealed (no surprise there) that many of the user comments at least the positive ones they investigated where bullshit created by the company owners themselves. (And if you see some of the negative restaurant reviews, its obvious that the 5000 word detailed negative review was left by the competition).

So the only way to review an adult site and be as fair as possible, is to show the user exactly what’s up and let them make a decision. That’s why there is no star ratings or score ratings on the site or user comments, because if you show someone exactly what’s up, there is no need for anyone else’s input or personal score.

The goal of this site is not to BS the surfer and make a quick buck, the goal is simple “build trust”, and by telling them upfront what to expect they feel confident whipping out their card, you take away that fear they might have of joining because of a bad prior experience or because of something they heard or read somewhere.

See many here feel that by telling a surfer about a hidden checkbox or that a site will bomb you with emails within 2 weeks of joining, it will make one not join, but that is FALSE. It will actually create joins, the surfer now knows what to do, he knows not to use his main email address etc. Right now in this economy the last thing you want is someone being “not sure” about a potential purchase, the result will be “no purchase”. (500+ emails is screwed up, imagine if the guy joined using his companies email account).

It’s a time when people are more careful with their money, by now every surfer has heard 5000 online scam stories from friends or from the news, if you show them the truth, the results will be very positive.

As far as reading over watching, well there is a market for both, and with people getting lazier by the day more will prefer to watch, and sometimes readers turn into watchers. So many people who would once read how to guides for Photoshop etc, now will first try to see a video, same goes with electronic product reviews, if you know about cnet that is your first stop. If this will apply to adult site reviews I don’t know, the surfer feedback so far has been EXTREMLY positive. We use wowza streaming and that makes it easier for the surfer to skip thru the review (you can do it with many other solutions other than wowza too).

The goal is simple, be honest with the surfer, don’t confuse them, work with website owners to make sure you are being 100% fair, and help site owners get signups they would otherwise not get.

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Thanks EscortBiz....

I'm all for pointing out bad billing methods, as stated... But why not just avoid promoting those type of programs all together? Maybe make a list of non-reviews of straight up bad companies, with no links?

It is nice to see you guys aren't going to necessarily focus on our billing practices that are legit but because so many here don't understand them, they get a bad rep.

I recommend you check with programs before you tell the surfer they can use an alt email address. That takes away value from the paysite and creates support problems down the road and possible account lookup issues for access, billing, etc.

Members have a hard enough time remember billing/login details, let alone some new random email address.


It's not like review sites have the best retention.... that really isn't a secret, and it isn't because of a loyal fan base, fan base traffic isn't new. It's because reviews, don't actually sell the member based on what the paysite is actually selling them, they sell them based on opinions that shape the surfers desires away from the niche.

I really don't want to see your review site fall into that category of other review sites, but with a video.


I really do like the concept and idea of your review site, I'm sure surfers love it. I have no reason to not want this to work, it benefits me more if it does succeed.

so people wont sign up for sites that bang their cc and send them a million spam emails. suck it it princess. it will just provide more business to those who provide a better consumer experience.

you have some seriously messed up perceptions if you think that a review site is a bigger threat that complaint boards filled with thousands of posts about shady porn sites. idiot.

"I recommend you check with programs before you tell the surfer they can use an alt email address. That takes away value from the paysite and creates support problems down the road and possible account lookup issues for access, billing, etc."

good point doc already working on rewording for that section, as a paysite owner myself I can see this being a problem

Welcome to the real world, what's the weather like where you live?

your comments on reviews apply to every single review and critique written. They are always the opinion of the reviewer. Wonder why you had to point it out.

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Can you please contact me regarding one of our reviews?? I sent email and an ICQ message on Fri... thanks in advance....

I bring up opinions because review sites aren't currently reviewing what they should be, they're injecting mass opinion in areas that they aren't experts in.

First, our Industry pays for the reviews... Two, our reviewers aren't experts in all the niches they review.

A food critic doesn't review fast food and fine foods. He also doesn't comment on the small portions at higher end places, and he doesn't comment about not having food courses at lower end places The fine wine guy, isn't reviewing the local dive bars cheap imported wine, and saying that's the place to get cheap wine. People reviewing a 300 million dollar movie, don't review in the same light as a low production movie.

These people also fully use and experience the entire thing, taste it, fully enjoy it, more often than not are in the niche-experts in it, and don't jump around just to cover every possible thing to review.


Our review sites are extremely different...

That was pretty funny. You lose.

Exaclty.

I got bored to death 10 sec into reviews.

Then you have to find reviewers who are into what they are reviewing and buying porn to consume. Otherwise you have a vegetarian reviewing a steak house. Yes tell the surfer if he's getting the quantity promised, downloads smoothly, in full length or 1 minute clips.

All this can be done very fast then give the surfer an opinion of the content and tell them it's your opinion. Is it believable or fake, produced in an inventive way or the same as 100 of other sites, are the girls pretty or not, teen or not (if teen or milf or etc) and avoid niches you know little about. Build trust in the surfer by reviewing what you understand and you will build buyers on your site a lot quicker.

Of course the saddest reply would be you can't find people who understand the porn they are reviewing. Sad reflection on the industry.

MORE POWER TO YOU ESPECIALLY IN LISTING SITES WITH LESS THAN HONEST PRACTICES. THIS WILL BENEFIT THE MAJORITY.

This review site will lose money.

:2 cents:

Very good! But it's doesn't SEO without text

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! And Ibill is trusted and is gonna make money again? Too funny!!!

How do you know whats good when you dont have the bad and shady to compare it too?


Good looks that much better compared to bad and shady thats why everybody gets reviewed. Whats there and is not there gets pointed out. The buyer and the surfer are a lot smarter than what people on this board give them credit for.:2 cents:

I made a necessary alteration. :1orglaugh

Hi

responded friday and also icq'ed you now

I got many ICQ’s asking me about people involved etc. And it’s only fair to thank those those who many here know.

Dave / JustDaveXXX – Well the idea is old but without the right crew its impossible to make this happen, and in this economy you can’t really hire guys that have one skill only. Dave pretty much is multi talented, from production to set design to working with agents and models and most importantly overseeing the ideas, getting real feedback and sharing it with the editors, reviewers etc. His girlfriend has been a huge help in this project too. The domain was purchased years ago with the intent of doing this, but I knew I can only do so much for a project like this.

Joe AMA – Great with all types of ideas, shot BTS and will soon be doing other interesting reviews, you’ll have to see it to believe it. Always there to throw in a good tip and comment.

BillyB – Shooting some intors where the girls are topless was his idea and already with the little traffic we got we got a few emails asking if there is a list somewhere of all topless reviews lol. He makes sure the talent is nice and calm, and operates a crucial part of the production so that even those who can barley read sound pretty good, great team player.

Tereese – Amazing makeup artists, sometimes did some serious magic, been in this industry forever and very dedicated and very creative.

Falcon – Adult Copywriters – I use to call the guy overpriced, the amount of dedication and the crazy deadlines they have to meet is insane but it gets done, because it’s a team effort you cant really have a shoot or other aspects of the review done without the proper writing and data entry etc. Id say he’s under priced but I don’t want him upping his fees on me, but seriously listens and makes even the complex happen. Its not just writing they are helping with.

Konrad – after going thru many so called streaming / ffmpeg / tube experts, this guy came in and layed the law down, straight to the point tells you the bad and the good and works long hours to get stuff done.

Oxeo – Besides mike being very hands on and understanding the needs, the team there (to many to name) really did whatever possible and still does to make things happen correctly. Not just basic server setups, but security issues, and streaming issues and so many other things, thanks to them and the entire team there.

Talent Agencies – To many to name but Type9 spent a great deal of time working with us, mark spiegler saved the day many times, CamSmith, and so many other agents, truly help in making lots of the shoots happen.

The many models – some not listed but here are a few - Andy San Dimas, Ashley Fires, Bobbi Starr, Brooke Haven, Bridget B, Charley Chase, Emma Heart, Eva Delatosso, Jenny Hendrix, Juelz Ventura,, Jessica Lynn, London Keys Mallory, Mason Moore, Monica Foster, Nicole Jones, Rachel Roxxx, Tiffany Tyler, Tuesday cross and many more. Some people asked me whats the point of the model intros, well lots of reasons for it marketing wise and trust me as many times as we said lets not do it (it would save a huge amount of time and money) we decided because of lots of other factors to keep it in the plan. We understand it can get boring to the surfer so the player has a “skip into” feature. We also filmed some other footage with each model that will be used in marketing the site, and it was also interesting seeing 100% mainstream girls reading lines like “This site features black guys with huge cocks fucking tight pussies”. We where always upfront about what the shoot is going to be like.

Im leaving out many including reviewers, editors, developers, designers etc. that obviously play a crucial role, none spend time on GFY. In addition some industry known people, im sure I forgot to mention a few people, sorry about that.

Looks interesting. Live reviews... Would help the surfers decided which porn to buy.

You are using the best in the business. I have to tell you that you are doing it right. Konrad is the man. I don't know JustDave or Joe AMA personally, but from reading their posts and seeing their work and work ethic...I have been pretty impressed.

havn't checked in a bit - so this is EscortBiz's site?


nice job

Yup, niche based reviews by people familiar with a niche would actually help consumers, whether in video or text.

They have over 200 reviews, so they used over 200 different credit cards?

Yup! All different cards left open to see who bangs what. All to be posted. Thats when the real fireworks will begin.lol If you think 200 is a lot, check out what we have up on xmas and see whats up before new years.:thumbsup

Many sites grant access to their whole network of sites with one password. :2 cents:

Not saying that's the case here, but I can confirm that they bought a password from me.

I had no idea they even reviewed my site until I saw this thread.

Suits me though, I have nothing to hide.

It took me a while to get the concept til I actually saw it being worked. Then I couldnt believe what an industry changer this could be. My thoughts are the people who get upset with this are the people ruining the industry. It will be like a burgler complaining about security systems.

i love the reviews but I find myself dying for a rating system so I know which ones to watch as i don't want to watch them all.....

Problem with ratings is...if you were a guy who checked out a porn site and decided to see the review on it, and the person reviewing the site gave their OPINION of it and gave it a certain score...then that score (rating) could negatively impact whether the potential customer joins or not. Even though the site might be perfect for them.

I had a post a little while back that had to do with a guy who was a former member of CM's site. He loved the site and had been gone for a few months and was coming back to re-join. But then he read the rabbits review of CM's site and wrote me worried that the site had changed! lol

I had to tell him that it was still the same only with MORE updates.

I found it incredulous that an affiliate would actually be HURTING my sales instead of doing their job and making sales for me.

Long story short, I calmed the guy down and he's a member today. Matter of fact he was one of the members enjoying our live webcast every wed.

That's the problem I have with review sites. They spend too much time on b.s. and not enough on what the site is REALLY about. For me, it's fans of Claudia-Marie that come to us. Believe me, I know EXACTLY what they want as I do everything for the site including support. I correspond with the members every day.

So when a review site comes along and posts up generic "scores" and "ratings" that have NOTHING to do with the experience that we are trying to create it does nothing but hurt sales.

Last I checked affiliates are supposed to MAKE sales based on marketing skills. Not drive them away through poor salesmanship.

That's why I like the concept of livereviews.com

Simply show the surfer what's there behind the members area. Let them make up their own mind. No need for an "opinion" of somebody who goes down his reviewers checklist for every site.

Not all people want to see a Brazzers members area.

For instance, here in Vegas the BEST steak in town is at a little place called The Ranch House. Yeah, I could go on the strip to a famous "name" restraunt and pay 20 times more in an elegant expensive building with waiters dressed in tuxedos...but bottom line is: The Ranch House steak tastes better.

That's the simple truth that review sites always miss. They are so busy "reviewing" the silverware, the tables, the floor, and the waiters...that they never really talk about the damn food!

livereviews lets the potential customer taste it for themselves and make up their own minds. :thumbsup

robbie I agree with you and you run some GREAT sites - I've always said you have a quality product.

but as a surfer looking at the reviews I would still want some way of knowing which reviews to watch and not spend 600 million hours watching them all.......

it might be just me and I know fuck all about review sites - but i'm just saying what i feel when i go into the site as a surfer is all.... i don't want to have to watch all 50 videos to find the best site in a category - i want to watch 2-3 in a category and know they reviewed 50 and pick from what they say is the best.....

i'm fat and lazy and I want them to tell me what I need

That would be a surfer who doesn't really have a specific site in mind. He's just window shopping. He might buy a membership, or he might not.

You're right. I don't think this review site is optimal for selling to that guy.

I think it's going to get some of them sold a membership for sure, but I think it's gonna find GOLD in a more targeted consumer who already knows what he wants and just wants to verify it before he makes his final decision.

Those careful buyers are pure gold. And once they join they are loyal and stay a loooonnnnggg time. Whereas I have always noticed that the few sales I've gotten from rabbits for the most part don't stay. They tend to join and then cancel immediately so they don't rebill in the majority of cases.