Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16633986)

Commenting that they have xsales, I don't mind so much about. Pointing out, upgrades, one-clicks, etc.. which are 'confirm' orders that the person wants... That bothers me.

It's pretty clear that paysite owners don't like the fact that review sites are pointing out the HONEST ways they make money from the surfer.

Emailing members cancel offers, is not a scam and telling the surfer about it, is bullshit.

Then lets assume you did start getting spam, one of it's linked to one software backend or processor, now you just excluded all those paysites from getting sales and you just uncovered the REAL largest concern of surfers, privacy of information given to paysites - and told them about it - really f'in smart.

The Review site is injecting OPINION'S that they think the surfer doesn't like to be up-sold, even though they clearly take them and when you're doing it honestly, the buyers do not complain - they ACTUALLY THANK YOU!

Anyway, actual market research shows people LIKE to be up-sold and get other related products recommend to them.


This isn't to say I don't think the idea is good.... but pointing out some of the stuff they're is not what actually concerns the surfer but it does effect our sales.

Originally Posted by BV (Post 16634634)

My guess is if you spam the hell out of them and do pre checked cross sales you're gonna get called out on it in your review. and rightfully so IMO.

Upells in the members area are not a issue IMO.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16632434)

Nice idea...

From what I can tell they don't actually signup for your site, they fake the process then fake as if they care.

It won't take a surfer long to figure out the site is just another review site.

Originally Posted by BV (Post 16634634)

My guess is if you spam the hell out of them and do pre checked cross sales you're gonna get called out on it in your review. and rightfully so IMO.

Upells in the members area are not a issue IMO.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 16634812)

You couldn't be any more wrong.
How does he have spam reports if it's not a real join.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 16634790)

Awesome, interesting, disturbing, hopeful and scary, all at once. Oui?

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 16634850)

The Joins aren't faked. I guarantee it.

In fact, I'm very proud to announce that Adult Copywriters played an important role in the development and creation of this review site.

We have worked with many major review sites in the past, but never on something this big. It was a great experience and I can't wait to see the final result.

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16634126)

catagories def. have to be expanded. can't lump gay and shemale together for instance.

Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 16633160)

Can someone explain to me why they would use production camera (many $1000's of dollar cameras) to show a 20 second clip that is only 720pixels wide?
The rest of the videos are video captures.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16632434)

Nice idea...
From what I can tell they don't actually signup for your site, they fake the process then fake as if they care.

Originally Posted by JamesK (Post 16632430)

Rule #1 - Do not educate the surfer

Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 16633578)

I am one of the guys involved in this project

Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 16633578)

Only a group of paysite owners who are in constant touch with their members would understand what this project is about.

Originally Posted by dpl girls (Post 16632921)

The reviews are too mechanical IMO.

As was stated above - what about the content?

The first review mentioned was Rachel Aziani so I sat through it and it didn't tell me shit abotu the site other than the download speed, really.

What a surfer really needs to know about that site is a) Rachel is fucking hot. b) Rachel has amazing jugs that you get to see bouncing all over the place. c) Rachel runs the site herself and she's a doll. d) Rachel does some hardcore with her hubby and it's awesome. d) Rachel also does a lot of solo stuff and it's lava hot in the following ways: a, b, c, etc.

What you have here is a movie review site that doesn't tell you shit about the movie beyond its running time and the size of the theatre you can see it in.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 16634091)

I don't like agreeing with Will76 either but sometimes he makes a good point.....

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16634069)

What I think happens is someone will watch 1 review 10 min video, see how thorough they are and then just take their word for it and look the content, security and billing tabs for the other sites and not keep watching videos.

Now one way this site could be a slam dunk is if people who are about to join a membership site go to livereview to check it out before they buy. For example, I am about to signup to ClaudiaMarie, i think its a nice site but before i signup to anything i go check it out at LiveReview first. So in this case I am not going there to search a lot of reviews to find a good site, I am using them as check to make sure a site I am about to signup to is legit or a scam. In this case, the sale Robbie was about to make 100% of he would then have to split with the review site. Would be great for the review site if everyone used them that way, but I know some affiliate programs that would be pissed about people taking "their traffic". :1orglaugh since the person was about to signup and found the site on their own.

Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16635340)

why is it such a "slamdunk" for this review site alone? this is just another review site, and they are starting out with no traffic,

Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16635340)

why is it such a "slamdunk" for this review site alone? this is just another review site, and they are starting out with no traffic, there are already many great review sites out there, and many of those rank high and get traffic, just because this one has video doesn't make it the end-all of reviews, ...


thinking this over this actually reminded me of one of my pet peeves, when a company uses video to put out some important information, when text would be way more efficient....

I hate having to watch through a video when I actually want information (google adsense did that recently, I clicked on something they said would give more info on a certain issue and was led to a video on the topic... I closed it 3 seconds in, I would have scanned a text block about the topic but I was not interested in sitting through some stupid video about it) :2 cents::2 cents:


anyways, good luck with the review site guys, just like I'll wish luck on anyone else that is running a review site out there, there are lots of good ones to choose from (although this one might get more interest from webmasters because of it's angle at the moment)

Originally Posted by GeXus (Post 16632905)

Paul it must be nice living in fantasy land. How's the weather?

It sounds very noble to speak of "educating the buyer", etc. But let's get down to brass tacks, money is made on the ignorant, not the educated. It has nothing to do with trust or credibility, that's been thrown out the window long ago, now the battle is with free content. I think you can guess who will win. This isn't mainstream. People pay for services like Netflix/Blockbuster/Amazon onDemand because their service is just far superior to finding ripped movies, waiting for the download, sacrificing quality, risk getting thrown in jail... This isn't the case in porn. Not to mention I'm not watching a 2 hour porn movie, I'm watching a 5min clip, jerking off, going to sleep.

Originally Posted by miss_jody (Post 16634037)

LMAO!!!!
Can i pop in for a guest spot?

;)

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16635386)

I don't think it's "just another review site". Just another review sites consist of 1 dude telling you " I give this site amn 87 out of 100" or " 4 out of 5 stars". The main reason for most review sites it to make money from SE traffic. Their reviews are bullshit.

The "video" allows you to see the members area, without paying. That is the only part about this site that really has to do with the videos. But the fact that they do it all on video tells you that they are serious about it and not just trying to throw shit on a page to get SE traffic. The other really cool parts is the fact that they actually sign up to the site with a credit card. how many other review sites do that?

So let's compare:

most review sites: ask for a free password and tell you what is in the members area.
this review site: signups with a credit card and shows you what is in the members area.

By signing up with a credit card then can then tell you if the site will bang the fuck out of your credit card or not and if they will send you tons of spam. Two extremely important things that a surfer would like to know that the other review sites can't help them with.

The "slam dunk" comment was is if this review site could get people in the habbit of always going to their review site to peak into the members area and check to see if the site bangs their card/spams them to hell, before the person signs up to any porn site. If even a small percentage of porn buyers would always go to the review site first before buying they would make a killing. The other review sites are more of a place where people go to look for something new to try, this review site is where people would go to check out every site they are about to buy from. huge difference between the two...

Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 16633578)

Hi Guys

First thanks to those who made positive comments.

I am one of the guys involved in this project, I have been sick with the flu so I wont be on allot but ill address a few key points, and hopefully once I get better ill go into more details about the project, the people behind it, and maybe go back and forth with a few here that like to mock everything 

This project is far from done and is in early testing stages.

Yes real credit cards have been used hence we have a legit spam report and we will also be posting a letter from a CPA signing off on that.

There will be an aff program, next AVN issue will have a full page ad about the site.

I have been in this industry a long time, I don?t design things so webmasters can talk about it, I design things that the surfer will enjoy, my tours are still lame and plain on all my sites and I still shoot updates after all these years, again I could care less about impressing webmasters or impressing myself, im not the one joining my own sites neither are you the webmaster.

We have footage of cancellations too, and when it goes live access is no longer valid. We try to uploaded after the membership is up, in addition we try to blur out as much as possible, do we make mistakes, yes.

We never joined a site using our own aff code, its clean joins.

We are human we make mistakes, we will fix it as soon as we are asked, im saying this a few times so people don?t panic, a big focus is being put on speedy corrections whatever they may be.

There will be a section with updated info for the user and we are more then capable of re-shooting when needed

Only a group of paysite owners who are in constant touch with their members would understand what this project is about. To be fair none of the sites we operate get reviewed, we tried it and as honest as it looked I can still see some saying it looked too positive, and it?s just a conflict of interest in a way.

Although you can blame the lack of signups in these days on tubes etc. the fact is this industry has fucked and re-fucked so many, and millions of people simply don?t join because of that, when you fuck a porn buyer you fuck everyone in this business. No doubt the huge amount of free porn don?t help either, but hey I cant help with that. In addition there is a whole market of people that are not expert surfers that would join porn sites if they would just know what the heck it involves, don?t assume everyone with a internet connection knows how to surf the net well, if they would several million computers wouldn?t get infected daily.

Years ago this site wasn?t needed, now it is, this project is really a small piece of a larger mainstream review project but we figured lets get adult out as it was the easiest to shoot.

And yes the consumer is doing more homework in these days especially when it comes to porn. The idea of doing video review is old, Cnet has been doing product reviews on video for a long time, but like I said this project hasn?t even started, and hopefully it will work out.

Like anything else that?s new, many will bash it and go into their theories on why it won?t work, and they will find spelling mistakes and all types of errors. Well guess what nothing is perfect from the start and like any new idea it will be tweaked and tested and given a good chance.

The surfer will decide what they prefer, what you as a webmaster will or wont do, does not matter (worth saying a few times).

I appreciate any feedback, the goal here is to help site owners with legit sites get sales, that?s it, quiet frankly money comes last, as bullshit as this sounds this is the truth. The main focus is bringing back the paying members; and to bring back some trust, that?s all. Before getting involved in this project a huge amount of research was done. The surfer will soon tell you who does and doesn?t understand them, but I don?t blame anyone for bashing a new concept, it?s the nature of the beast.

Its new and it will takes a big marketing effort including lots of late night TV spots and other major partnerships that are not the typical method of marketing to give this site the chance it deserves, for now its all about uploading tons of quality reviews and that?s the main focus now, in some cases redoing some that are not clear.

Enjoy and as soon as I get better ill spend more time here.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16631563)

Shemp showed us this one:

http://www.livereviews.com/

Originally Posted by Rice_Master (Post 16631777)

not a bad idea, but the state of the industry now is horrible, would have been really good a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Trax (Post 16631989)

i know mantas and rick do not need to be worried and i doubt they are. nicely done but just another site.

Originally Posted by SubAms (Post 16635267)

Great idea and only sites that lie, con and spam their customers will have anything to complain about. Anyone that runs a good, honest site and respects their customers will have nothing to worry about.
My site has already been reviewed and this is the first I knew about it. I've already made one quick change to the site based on the review and will make another tomorrow.
http://www.livereviews.com/1988/Adul...-Amateurs.html



Not mine they didn't. The subscription number matches a join on the 29th October and it wasn't an affiliate join.



Bollocks. All surfers are potential customers. Show them respect.
It's customers that feed your family.



Best of luck with it and I hope you feel better soon.




So true.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16635386)

I don't think it's "just another review site". Just another review sites consist of 1 dude telling you " I give this site amn 87 out of 100" or " 4 out of 5 stars". The main reason for most review sites it to make money from SE traffic. Their reviews are bullshit.

The "video" allows you to see the members area, without paying. That is the only part about this site that really has to do with the videos. But the fact that they do it all on video tells you that they are serious about it and not just trying to throw shit on a page to get SE traffic. The other really cool parts is the fact that they actually sign up to the site with a credit card. how many other review sites do that?

So let's compare:

most review sites: ask for a free password and tell you what is in the members area.
this review site: signups with a credit card and shows you what is in the members area.

By signing up with a credit card then can then tell you if the site will bang the fuck out of your credit card or not and if they will send you tons of spam. Two extremely important things that a surfer would like to know that the other review sites can't help them with.

The "slam dunk" comment was is if this review site could get people in the habbit of always going to their review site to peak into the members area and check to see if the site bangs their card/spams them to hell, before the person signs up to any porn site. If even a small percentage of porn buyers would always go to the review site first before buying they would make a killing. The other review sites are more of a place where people go to look for something new to try, this review site is where people would go to check out every site they are about to buy from. huge difference between the two...