The first thing I would do is post the email/letter/letter from attorney on GFY, then I'd attach it to the review itself. Just a further indicator of the programs shadiness.

Well Done Robbie:) Happy Holidays as well:thumbsup

Mr. Romance

What? They aren't just making up baseless defamatory comments. That's like a scam artist contacting, 'ripoffreport.com' and demanding experiences with their company be removed. :1orglaugh

They have no legal course of action, livereviews bought memberships with their own money and posted their experience.

I like it, I like it a lot. I expect it to take a long time to break even, but I am sure it will. If your serious about porn then before you join a site, watching a video review I think will be a must for a lot of surfers.

I wish them the best of luck.

Difference... one review site is paid for the reviews and the other isn't.

Our Industry programs have 100% of the power... review sites thinking they have any power, is retarded.

First thing I would do is not review dishonest paysites/programs.... why take the chance that the surfer won't see the warnings or simply ignore them? It will happen, without question - even bad reviews make sales.

I duno what I think of this. I watched a few reviews, the guy reviewing them seems kinda dumb. He said not to join one site because its gonna take 2 min to download a 67MB clip (540kb download). He thinks it should take 40 sec which is 1.675MB a sec download speed. I mean 540 isnt bad enough to not signup.

Its also great for affiliates to check the sites :)

few notes:

a) People need to stress less about if the site will or wont do well with SE, and if it does or don't make financial sense, especially given that you have no clue about the exact business plan, for the sake of letting you people sleep better at night I guarantee you that it will be very well positioned in all SE's, it will take 3-4 months to start seeing that but don't lose sleep over it, and no it will be 100% legit positioning.

b) The net is a big place, and its growing daily, some will read some will watch some wont do anything, the point is sitting there and talking about what you would do shows a lack of understanding how business works. I wouldn't join a site that shows women getting examined by doctors, but for 8 years now im shooting weekly updates for my medical fetish site. Thinking about what you would or wouldn't do is no way to research a business. You have to spend real money and do real research to understand what does or doesn't have a chance.

c) Anyone can ask to be removed and we will remove it, there will be a separate page of those who asked to be removed, the surfer will be able to draw their own conclusion, and yes even some reviews that are bad will still get joins.

d) What you find boring and a waste of time, is exactly what most surfers find very useful info. Reviewers are told to spend as much time as needed and present the facts.

It’s a project designed to help good sites get joins and to get those surfers who use to pay to start buying memberships again. And the little feedback from surfers so far has been extremely positive. Many joined to be updated for new updates and with the little test traffic I sent some joined sites too.

yeah like tube sites videos don't dominate the serps right now with the little to no text. fucking morons i tell you ....

This is an amazing site for those in the industry and end users!!! Visited their studio a few weeks ago and saw these guys in action! I was very impressed! :thumbsup

That's a great point as well.

You think consumerreports.com is paid to review products? You think motortrend is paid by the car manufacture to review their cars? There is absolutely nothing illegal about it. It's not about having "power", which BTW doesn't even make sense. :1orglaugh

Brain a tad slow this morning?
Adult Industry reviews are paid, per sale, as an affiliate that agrees to terms. Consumer reports, motortrend, doesn't get paid by the creator/producer of the product to write the review.

Who said anything about legal or illegal?

They have the power because you're an affiliate, following an affiliate programs rules and terms, bound by an agreement, allowed to use our copyright/trademarks, and the program is the one writing the checks...

All I can say is BRILLIANT!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I love all your lil projects - I see this one paying off :thumbsup

Not necessarily, read a motor trend magazine. On one page motor trend will give a horrible review about one of Ford's cars for example, then on the next page will be an advertisement that Ford pays for.

If you're a shady program owner then fine, terminate livereview.com's affiliate account for informing consumers about your shady practices. Either way you lose, even if you terminate the account they can still keep the review online. They can even recommend a similar site on the review and still cop a sale.

You can try to relate it, but at the end of the day Motor trend isn't being paid for the review, making commissions from it or taking any payment directly for the review. When they advertise they get permission to use the trademarks in the ad, when they write a review they get different permission.

What they do not do is tell the reader to watch out at the dealership as they will try to upsell you insurance, features, tinted windows, oil changes, etc... services you can get for free, services you don't need, services that don't deliver as always promised.

If they did, Ford would make them change the reviews or wouldn't 'allow' the review.


Aff Programs give review sites permission to use trademarks, copyrighted material, etc when they signup as an affiliate.

If a paysite tells you to take the review down and/or change information, the review site has no choice. Yeah, they could leave some trash review up and even link up....

...but it's rather easy to redirect traffic. And think if they are ever wrong or mistaken, if the program wasn't responsible for the fraud but maybe your bank had a leak, and you accused a program of fraud or a host got hacked. IE: No fraud that is the program or paysites fault.

That does happen, much more than programs that bang cards for fraud and actually stay in business to tell about it.

We already know people in our Industry will sue for hurting the brand/image, quickly.... I have, and would do it again.

Awesome idea. Some concerns or improvements I have are:

-You don't really discuss video quality or merits of the content at all. I saw one review where the videos were very low res and looked pretty old and crappy. It wasn't mentioned.

-What happened when you tried to cancel?

-I think prechecked cross sales should be mentioned in the review.

-Navigation of the reviews needs to be improved. And the interface in general.

-How are you going to drive traffic to this? A great idea is useless if nobody sees it.

Well livereviews might have an affiliate link, but after giving a shitty review who is really going to join that site? If the program owner contacts them and says your method of advertising violates our TOS, it's no big loss for livereviews. Like I said they can just recommend a similar site on the review page.

Like I said, it doesn't really hurt the review site. If they were concerned with sales with that program they wouldn't be writing a bad review. In fact I think it would even be in their best interest to not even use the affiliate program and just link to a better program.

And seriously, what are the odds of that? A brand new credit card being banged coincidentally after signing up for a porn site?

If I owned livereviews I would say bring it on. :) I commend them for standing up against piece of shit program owners that are destroying this business. They are not writing derogatory comments, they aren't out to harm a brand or image, they are simply posting honest reviews of what to expect after joining a paysite.

A.) Pre-checked Cross sales.
B.) Spam
C.) Fraud

Let the piece of shit program owners sue for being called out on their shady practices then. Odds are they won't though. If they are indeed spamming and banging cards it could open up an investigation.

Spam without an opt out link is illegal
Obviously banging credit cards is illegal and can easily be investigated.

why is the doc so scared of an honest review?

lots of good points many already being planned, we recorded the cancellations too and trying to figure out how to organize it, another example how webmasters dont understand how many surfers dont know how to cancel even thou in most cases its so simple (some are hell to cancel).

well the other part of whats coming to the site will generate traffic, the aff program, some paid spots online and some other thing we are doing ill post a sample in a few days.

new concept will be lots of trial and error and open to any and all advice good or bad

thanks

Damn that is a kick ass site. Can't wait to submit our sites :thumbsup

I know you want to avoid using any sort of rating system, but I think you could at least flag sites as "Good, Bad, Ugly" or "Gold, Silver, Lead" or something. At least to know:

-We got spammed
-We got charged more
-Couldn't cancel easily
-etc

And you could give some kind of clear icon or something to indicate this. That way the user can save time and easily skip the really bad ones.

This is what i'm thinking. What kind of customer has to watch a fucking video of your site rather than go there himself? What happened to joining a porn site being an impulse buy cuz you need good jerk off material?

It is a good site though, very well done.

I'm scared trolls like you will find me out, of course.

first thanks

and to answer your question "What happened to joining a porn site being an impulse buy cuz you need good jerk off material?"

What happened is the surfer got scammed and fucked, either by bullshit billing or by not getting any content worth a damn in the members areas. Signups are on decline not just because of free porn and the economy, they are mostly due because surfers have fear of joining. After all porn memberships are cheap, but no one wants to lose money.

Time will tell.

Clearly you don't have a clue about the review business... the worst reviews, point out fraud, have comments that are filled with reports that the consumer was had, and people still join.


1000's of times higher than a paysite/program banging out cards. I have had a new cc have fraud on it before I ever used it, twice. Visa/MC Cancel millions of cards a year that get stolen from work PC's at the banks and crap....



Ok? I know they will just be posting a review.. it's the other stuff were talking about.

You act as if this is the first review site to give honest reviews or tell what the surfer is buying.


1) Pre-checks Cross Sales aren't fraud... VISA/MC allow them because they aren't fraud. It's "your opinion" that they are otherwise. No stats, no chargebacks, refunds, or complaints backup your "theory."

2) ANY marketing email with an opt-out and header space for porn included - is 100% legal and not fraud at any level. Even if I sent 1000 emails, cancel emails, follow ups, offers, discounts... NONE of that is spam.

3) Neither of the above is any type of fraud. Nothing wrong with showing fraud, as I have already stated several times.


The list of programs doing this over the years is, well... small. The number of programs that have been defrauded by the consumer, affiliates and others... is damn near 100%.


Back to reality... were review sites already change the reviews based on what the program says. You're trying to argue what is already fact.

I agree with you on that. It's a shame that a porn consumer now has to use sites like yours to protect himself from getting screwed.

As I said before...this site is great!

But I think we're getting a little out there to suggest that a porn consumer HAS to use a review site to not get "screwed"

That's a great selling point to surfers for the review sites. Matter of fact it is THE selling point. And a good marketing tool.

But the consumer is never really screwed. It's a simple little thing called "chargeback"

Seems to work everytime. :)

I wasn't really commending livereviews for their ability to HURT paysites. But more on how nice the site is, and how by not having an opinionated view but rather letting the surfer see for himself...it could HELP sales.

Seems the GFY "gotcha" crowd is already drooling over the thoughts of causing paysites to lose money instead. lol

Maybe one day we won't have any programs left to promote by that logic. Then we can all just put up links for the ONE program that will be left and doesn't do any "shady" billing practices: Brazzers. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Just sayin', I see this as a positive review site. Not an opportunity to slam the programs that actually pay us all.

Edit: By the way, I wasn't calling bdeforest one of the "gotcha crowd" I was referring to the general prevailing mood of GFY lately. Seems to be more hatefest than business

No not all of us paysite owners screw over the surfer. I've always been one to operate with full disclosure and with the mind set that the user should be paying attention to what they are buying. But, there always has been and always will be shady billing practices, including flat out theft in this industry. So, it's those gun shy customers that have been fucked over once already that will find this service to be most beneficial imo. And to me, that is a shame.

Ya gotta admit that Doc has a point...the percentage of adult companies that have screwed consumers is very small.

The amount of adult companies that GET screwed by consumers via unwarranted chargebacks is 100%

I rather read. Too much in a rush to go thru a video, may be I'm a little old fashioned in that aspect

yeap, if they have a problem with people pointing out what they are doing to the customer, then they shouldn't be doing it. If you want to triple blind cross sale a customer, fine but at least own up to it. Don't get made because someone is going to actually warn people you are doing it.

Put a spot light on them all and let the good ones shine and the bad ones be exposed.

Unbelievable..... How can anyone promote "revshare" for a site that bangs the customer so fucking hard that they are going to cancel everything. Not to mention if are only getting "revshare" on one of main membership and not on any of the banging...

people who do this shit should be shot and visa should shut them down.

This isn't just going to be a benefit to surfers.... It is also a benefit to affiliates. Before I promote a site for revshare I would love to know how they treat the customer. If they fuck the customer and I am on revshare I am never going to make much money. Sure if they offer high PPS then it is up to the affiliate if they care about their customers or not, to whether they would still promote that company. This will be helpful info for affiliates as well.

Your site converts 1:10 and does 100 sales a day from tube traffic?

Piracy traffic, not tubes...and ' I have' vs 'still do'..then again, I don't work the source like I did. Anyway, my answer was more to point out that review sites don't have some unique source of quality simply because they are reviews.

I would say the percentage of adult programs that screw their customers as defined by the members of the GFY community opposed to pre-checked cross-sales and that shit that Biggy and Ivo are pulling at TeenGFS, is quite high. The percentage of surfers screwed based on visa's current regulations, not that big.

IMO, you statement is flawed. There are 7 Billion people in the world. 1000 adult programs. So, your numbers are correct, but the meaning of them is meaningless.

Oh, and also, "two wrongs don't make a right." :-)

The traffic from them converts at a better ratio than most sources I've experienced. Second only to members area traffic. IMHO.

Someone going to a review site is ready to buy something. Freeloaders could not care less about review sites.