You and Me both. Jesus!!! Enough already Obama. Control your freaks in office.

The above was homicides which is pretty clear cut. The other big difference is they include property crime as violent where as the US does not. Seriously do a search but that whole the UK is more violent then the US was a bunch of crap.

found this but I know I read a more indepth rebuttal when it came out. - http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley...n-sa-debunked/

We were talking about gun crime, not murders, kinda different there

Here's a link to something other than a blog
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ith-crime.html

you mean like South Africa?

Yup... that's why it's almost impossible to get a legal gun in NYC, yet NYC is one of the safest big cities in the U.S. and getting safer every year. :upsidedow

git out of are country you socalest AND TAKE UR LIBRUL MEDIA VIDEO WITH U!

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My mom was in NYC last year, times square, she had a blast and felt very safe, said a lot of cops there

americans will never give up their guns... unfortunately

why would we want to?
I have some guns that were handed down from my grandfather
I have a savage 30.06 that was made in 1902
Damn thing is accurate as hell

bad news,i will add the unsafe factor in many areas,we need a gun to protect ourself and our property.

Put every fucking gun in the world into the furnace and melt them all into fucking scrap! FUCK GUNS AND THE MORONS WHO WANT TO FUCKING SHIOOT THEM. FUCK YOUR IDIOT RIGHTS! GUNS FUCKING KILL!

That's because we are overrun by trailer trash, bible thumping, beer guzzling, toothless tobacco chewing, and sister and cousin marrying rednecks who do nothing all day long but sit on that fat flabby asses listening to Rush and watching Beck on Fox TV, the idiot propaganda channel for mindless idiots.

Damn, were you molested as a child?

No, but I know of too many kids who blew their sister's, brother's, friends', or their own brains all over the wall thinking Daddy's gun was a toy. I JUST FUCKING HATE GUNS!

those kids are idiots.

And idiots deserve to die, right?

get this, i live in a country where the newly elected president was himself responsible for the planting of bombs that killed innocent people when he was a part of a revolutionary group, but today if you are found guilty of a crime and made to serve a prison sentence you can not go and legally buy and own a gun!

Got to love them loop holes

Did you read the link?

"The Home Office criticised the CBS report as "simplistic", pointing out that the average American is seven times more likely than his British counterpart to be murdered and 60 times more likely to be shot dead. A spokesman also warned against comparing statistics that were collected and collated in different ways. "For example, the US figures for violent crime only include aggravated assault and not common assault," he said."

The UK has more burglaries which is not a gun crime per se.

Kind of different. What country are you in?

and canada is fully of retards...

see how is that is without having to post proof. we can say anything we want!!!


so, please post your stats and I'll post mine, til then STFU and stick to what you know.. oh wait, maybe you were trolling.

I'm pretty sure he's trolling and talking about Obama. If Obama planted the bombs he would have been 11 years old at the time :1orglaugh

Its sssoooooooo damn funny to approach the Border at Mexico and the US and read the signs about bringing in guns. And here its not legal to own one at all that I know of. Funny thing is 99% of the murders are done with guns and Tijuana had more than 1800 murders in the last 14 months.

Yep. Gun control makes it a lot safer...


Gun control should = Hitting the target.

What is really sssooooooo damn funny is that the same Americans who believe the US stands as a World leader compare it to countries such as Mexico or South Africa when it comes to gun crime...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh, I forgot, there is also Switzerland, they have guns and very little crime, of course that has nothing to do with the fact they are a speck of a country with an ageing population and one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

I don't normally say bad things about you... but you really are an idiot if you think this will become law.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

forget guns - why are rocket launchers illegal?

why can't I carry a rocket launcher in the streets to defend myself?

my rights are being violated


rocket launchers don't kill people people kill people

fact: gun freaks dont read facts. they just want grenade launchers and assault rifles to be allowed in playgrounds..

*shrug* Over here the only ones to have firearms are the authorities and prosecutors. The bureaucracy and tests for owning a gun are so shitty and there's a few year waiting period so only a handful of civilians own any. The only ones you can get more easily are hunting weapons and God help you if you pull one of those suckers outside the hunting ground even to defend yourself in your own home. Legally speaking if the bugler has a baseball bat you have to defend yourself with b blunt object too or risk getting fried.

Still I have never been robed or assaulted, never heard of any acquaintance being robbed or assaulted, never heard a gunshot outside a film and there's a firearm killing/year on the news. Usually people just get stabbed.

Here's the problem, we have senators like Diane Feinstein that are anti gun political type that have concealed gun permits. She doesn't want anyone to own a gun, but as long as she can carry one. In California, if you have a CCW, Concealed Carry weapon permit, you can carry that weapon any place in California except San Francisco, Diana Feinsteins permit was issued in San Francisco. She says she gave it up, but I don't believe politicians, do you?

They are estimated 30k gun laws on the books, written by idiots that think they are going to curb crime, they only effect those that follow the law

That is most likely the single dumbest statement made in this thread so far.

You're right, I read facts, LOL

a crazy bug eyed religious lunatic with an assualt rifle, nice :Oh crap

Compare crime rates in the UK to crime rates in the US... then come back and repeat that nonsense.

it the libertarians were in charge you would be able to. as long as you don't infringe the rights of your neighbors it's ok!

hell, you should be able to have a fucking tank in your backyard if you want. now, if you use to to blow up your neighbors house, then we might have some problems.

ok, lets try this one more time.

criminals don't follow the laws, so you can pass all the laws you want and it's not make any difference to some gang banger who wants to rob you.

you think it's unsafe now, image if there were no guns in the hands of law abidding citizens.

if only the police/gov't has guns, it's a police state. is that what you want?

our forefathers knew that arming the people was the one of the best ways to insure freedom.

here's your nonsence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia


On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance, but it has still had the effect of reducing crime by at least 50%.

http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html

Here's proof that arming the citizens it better than arming the criminals
If you don't like that link, go ahead and google it

They can try. :)

If the worst happens.. they'll close the assault weapons gun show loophole.

I'm a slippery slope thinker, but even I dont see that as an increase in regulations, only fixing a gaping hole in an existing one.

it seems that many people commmenting here own guns and that the ownership is for protection....of person, rights, etc.

my question is have you ever used your gun for reasons other than sport? not going to the range or practice, but really because of a situation you were in?

EDIT:

Nevermind. Not getting into that here.