I used a rifle when I felt some deer were gonna to attack me, so I killed them first.

They were yummy.


http://www.docjelly.com/Blog/content...rk_ep103_1.jpg

this is what a deer did to my car, did you know that deer are the most dangerous animal in north America?
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._3174413_n.jpg

I have, just don't want to get into that

All crime in the US is down that much since then. NYC, Miami etc. But nice try.

Wiki graph to show it overall - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

By 50%????

This is why politics in America are so fucked.

People blame the "Bush Administration" or the "Obama Administration" for everything wrong that CONGRESS does.

Congress is a 10x bigger problem than any single President.

Impose term limits on Congress! A two term limit sounds fair to me.

The only way the WH would be taking away people's guns is if Obama got someone in the House or Senate to introduce the bill on his behalf.

As for guns in America, too many criminals already have them so the good people need them, too!

LOL just saw that post, hahaha made my day.

well that link you posted says -17% , a far cry from 50%
I think your math is a little off

compare the thread title to reality...

did you know coconuts kill more people than sharks each year?

Yeah. did you see the chart?

On the graph total violent crime in the US in 1981 was somewhere under 4 and is now under 2. So yeah about 50% and that was nation wide.

I bet the NRA has a stat showing that kids with guns would be shooting those coconuts and thus saving lives.

Sorry, I didn't look at the chart, I looked at the print next to it where it said it went down 17%

in 1960 there was a population of 179,323,175 people in the US with a total of violent crimes of 288,460

in 1989 there was a population of 248,239,000 people in the US with a total of violent crimes of 1,646,040

in 2008 there was a population of 304,059 724 people in the US with a total of violent crimes of 1,382,012

179,323,175/288,460= 621
so one in every 621 people have had a voilent crime happen to them in 1960

248,239,000/1,646,040= 150
so one in every 150 people have had a voilent crime happen to them in 1989

304,059,724/1,382,012= 220
so one in every 220 people have had a voilent crime happen to them in 2008



the goverment has been keeping these records since 1930 I think

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

I use to see hammer head sharks all the time in Pearl Harbor
I stayed away from coconut trees, because I had heard about that

So Funny!

It will happen sooner or later. They will disarm the people.

Never gonna happen

what would you say the % of people in favor of guns have that opinion because

1 - they think they are safer
2 - they like to hunt
3 - they think it is just their right, no matter for what reason


im just curious, i hate them, dont ever want to be around them due to a good friend killing himself in high school with his dads shotgun... but i am curious, why do people really like them?

do people with guns really think that they are safer at night because there is a gun in the house

no sarcasm here, just curious

If your friend was suicidal enough to actually do it, he would have done it regardless. Having a shotgun handy just made it more convenient. Think about that.

Right. Keep telling yourself that.

It's coming. Maybe not next year, or in 5 years, but it's coming. Count on it. The irony is, the American people will let it happen and do nothing as it does. The handful that *may* stand up and refuse to let it happen will be struck down so fast their heads will spin. "Homegrown terrorists" they will be called.

Print this post and tape it to your wall.

not as long as the nra continues to ply congress with cash, they are easily one of the top 5 most powerful lobbying groups in washington.

government goes to the highest bidder and that bidder is the national rifle association when it comes to gun control.

Let me ask you this, if it weren't for your friend with the obvious mental disorder, not picking on him, he did, would you still hate guns?

Do this, find a friend that likes them, take that friend and go to an indoor gun range, they rent guns you can use and go thru a couple hundred rounds shooting maybe a .38 and then you will be an imformed person

Fo me, it's about the rights that the founding fathers laid down
It's about if someone brings danger to my home, I can deal with them
It's about politicians using this as a soap box to scare people when there is more important things to do.

Uh.. Obama can't introduce gun control bills... Check the Constitution for more details nutcase.

they pass gun control bills all the time
In california, they just passed into law that you have to get fingerprinted to buy ammo

:2 cents:

President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey.

It's a mistake in the law's wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.
Earlier this week, Congress sent the president a massive spending bill that funded dozens of federal departments. Tucked into the transportation section of the legislation are safety requirements for Amtrak customers who carry firearms on board the government-backed train system. The bill Congress passed mandates that passengers with firearms declare they have weapons with them in advance and stow them in locked boxes while on the train.

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing "passengers" into locked boxes.

Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., became aware of the problem Wednesday night as the House voted on its final slate of bills for the year. Pelosi's staff tried to negotiate with Republican aides to see if they would agree to change the text of the bill without revoting the entire piece of legislation. But it was all for naught as Obama had already signed the measure into law

This is our government, LMAO

This clearly says that our government is capable of anything, even if by mistake!

that would not be very comfortable, do they let them out for bathroom breaks?

LOL, I was wondering if they get a box lunch?

That will never happen.

you mean you won't print that post out and tape it to your wall?

obviously people that kill themselves with guns would more than likely have found another way to do it even if there were no guns around. i wasnt suggesting his dad having a shotgun was the reason he did what he did... just that this was the reason i dont like guns. and even if it just 5% of people would not have killed themselves otherwise, is that not a viable argument against having guns in the house?

i just have a hard time with the argument that guns make people feel safer.

people that defend gun rights because they think it is their right to own guns i can relate more to. i agree that people should be able to own them constitutionally, but i would argue against the fact that having guns in the house makes you actually safer.

i dunno, i just wish they would all go away or at the very least make the punishment very severe for anyone caught with a gun without a license. do you know what the average punishment is for someone caught with an illegal gun is?

depends from state to state, city to city

Whenever I'm at home I have a gun close by at all times and feel safer because of it. I don't expect a home invasion, I'm just protecting myself since they do happen. Also I don't expect my house to catch fire but I have a couple of fire extinguishers here too just in case. I'd rather be safe than sorry.


- 38 percent of assaults and 60 percent of rapes occur during home invasions.
- One in five homes undergoes a home invasion or break-in.
- There are more than 8,000 home invasions every day in North America.
- 50 percent of home invasions involve the use of a weapon; the most common weapons used are knives or other cutting instruments.
- In 48 percent of home invasions, victims sustain physical injuries.
- Victims age 60 or older make up 17 percent of home invasion victims.
- In 68 percent of home invasions, victims and the accused are strangers; in 11 percent of these cases, victims and the accused are friends, business associates, or family.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

After coming home earlier this year and finding burglars in my house that had a gun, yeah I keep a gun nearby now.

I had a break-in at an apartment I was in once, they got off with some jewelry and my Kirby vacuum cleaner, they're fucking expensive
They couldn't do anything with my safe, they tried. I had a clean glass jar with a couple bucks in it, they took the money and left perfect print on the glass jar, which is why it was clean

They were scared away by a neighbor that pointed a gun at them

Exactly! 150 to 220 is a huge move. Most people would divide the number of crimes by the number of people for a incindence per 10k people or whatever but yeah math does not lie.

Crime is DOWN!

66.31 crimes per 10k in 1989
45.45 crimes per 10k in 2008

Remember this includes property crimes not just violent. The reduction in violent crime is higher.

no, that was just violent crimes and from 1960, the crime rate is up
but it's still no where near the 50% that Kennesaw experinced

Kennessaw passed the bill in 1982 according to the thing you posted. That was the height of crime. they are not clear on what crime went down 50% but nationwide violent crime went down 50% and total crime went down about 33% nationwide.

My point was that maybe the gun law had shit all to do with it.