i think anyone on this board can agree that 1) we are ALL surfers and "surfers" are not some retarded aliens from another galaxy, and that 2) we determine the credibility of a site, the quality of its content and the value of its price points, based on how its presented... which in this case could be generously scored as such - fail... fail... fail.. and fail.

this doesn't help at all, you need COMPLETE makeover. Throw everything you have in recycle bin, empty it and hire some professional to design/code

Sleazy, how long does it take to get "Visa Approval" these days?

it's nice to be negative and I'm sure it makes you feel better.

that's fine, my only consideration is that my site easydater which honestly looks like shit outsells the sites people on here tell me are how I should make yessignals look.....it sells at about the same rate as pimproll, nasty dollar, bangbros, naughtyamerica or adult.com sites for me and I have years of data to back that up. and that's with ccbill only - i don't even cascade it. so the looks like shit argument doesn't really hold weight. I believe it's about the sales pitch and what motivates people... Also the other PUA sites that people say are doing well honestly look like crap.

what I like about this is how many men see it and realize a situation where they saw a particular yes signal and didn't realize what it was. I've heard dozens of people tell me that. What I like is how many women tell me this is real and men NEED to know this. There is something there.

i'm getting some sales. I believe this should sell better than porn. not there yet but it's only about 30,000 tracked clicks in so far (ran for a little while last week too before tracking with google and friends).....I've promoted some AMAZING looking sites that get less than 1 in 10,000 (i'm doing a little better than that now) and crappy ones that do better than 1 in 300 (no where near that)....the average i see for anything decent these days is about 1 in 1500/2000 with tgp traffic...I'm worse than that so far...

Everything I've heard as well about other sites in this marketplace is that this is a slower sale - requiring newsletters and touching the client a couple times. I'm working on that. I saw the same thing with AFF actually when I started with it - i didn't get sales right away - it took a few days of people playing with the site before they became members.....I think most dating sites can tell you stories like this too.... it's not a wack off now purchase, it's more of a - yeah I get it - then realize I need it later to get laid kind of a purchase....and panicking knowing they are going to meet a woman and want knowledge to speed things along.... That's my theory anyway...

So I'm refining my sales pitch and working on getting the newsletter together......if it is similar to a dating site for sales I won't have accurate numbers till I'm into the new year

it was about a week but i had an existing account so that's just site approval

of course it does. why else do it? you beg for negative attention all the time. don't be shocked when you get it when you don't want it.

[QIUOTE]my only consideration is that my site easydater which honestly looks like shit outsells the sites people on here tell me are how I should make yessignals look.....it sells at about the same rate as pimproll, nasty dollar, bangbros, naughtyamerica or adult.com sites for me and I have years of data to back that up. and that's with ccbill only - i don't even cascade it.[/QUOTE]

i had never seen "easydater.com" before. Here is where i would say is the first place you've derailed. if i visit easydater.com - i can clearly see its a porn site. i see the episodes, the models, that everyone is fucking and "i get it".

if i visit yessignals.com - its absolutely NOT clear what it is or what its focus is or what you're selling and you've blurred the line between two distinctly different offerings - "porn" or "how to pick up women". its horrible as porn. its horrible as a PUA type site.

there is no focus and its primary focus/benefit/value is not communicated well in its presentation

the argument about design, looking like shit, looking polished etc and conversions we both know is as old as porn online.

in this case "looks like shit" means "that guy should know much better.. but apparently doesn't"

again... i'm not disputing that idea. what i'm saying is that you are not creating a pick up artist site. you are taking bad porn and trying to pass it off as something educational or as entertainment rather than something someone wants to jack off to. the more unfocused you are in your offering and how you communicate what you're offering.. the more problems you'll have trying to close the sale.

you can't sell crème brûlée at a taco stand with the reasoning that "people love crème brûlée" - its about the target market, focus and an appropriate/clear/focused approach that properly communicates to the target market that you have what they need and are searching for.[/QUOTE]


that's great. i would say that as long as you approach things with an attitude that says "i'm going to let the data lead the way" rather than "i know it all", i'm sure you could do fine as you will ultimately end up with a model that works and should always be improved. i think people tend to give too much weight to ideas, focus on them and fall in love with them, which in turn, tends to leave one blind to the valuable information that comes back with traffic and sales and communication with users.

If that's what you could come up with I feel sorry for you....



oh...p.s. 1998 called, they want their content back

don't change a thing.

I'll laugh my ass off when someone who knows what they're doing comes along, rips the entire gameplan, and does it properly...

hmmm m

650 illiterates

see sig for decent product.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's already in the works. :1orglaugh

I almost assume that this is a joke and I'm one of the few people not in on it. :helpme

This cant be the actual site and has to be some sort of masterful marketing campaign. Right? There is zero way that someone who actually works in this industry (or is breathing) could look at this site and think that it is either new or a sure success.

he was once on the right time and right place with his TGP(s).
Now please let him do what he thinks is right and leave him alone.
If it will fail, it will.
If he succeeds well, good for him and it will prove that his critics are all idiots.




I think it will fail but heh ....... I could be wrong, nah do not think so

What's up here? :)



Btw. Is she saying yes? :helpme


http://www2.mydeepdarksecret.com/pics/31/30.jpg

no virgins?

i sure have a lot of people following me ;)

people can't look away from a trainwreck...

so when are you revealing the real site? tell me you're revealing a real site...

Sleazy, your "he can't spell for shit" paysite and my "ugly as sin" paysite should get together. Ya never know it might be a happy marriage...lol


Damn the haters!

Sleazy - show #'s - how many signups so far? More or less than 10?

http://thsrv.com/hl/http://www.freew...e%20Turtle.jpg

Chocolate ice cream goes in the FREEZER!

:winkwink:

It's more like this, than actually following you.

http://kraigkrempa.files.wordpress.c...ernecking4.jpg

I signed up to learn the yes singals..

ah shits..

Sleazy, I've wondered why you didn't start a tube site instead of trying to do a dating paysite. The tube site would be the next evolution for your TGP, a way to protect your traffic by gaining new people with the tube site as you lose some from the tgp.

Traffic and running sites like that seem to be your thing and what you have had most success and experience doing.... so I am surprised you don't stick with what you know opposed to jumping into a whole new area. Pay sites are one thing that takes some learning but dating type sites is even harder to get into. I know you are not doing a straight up dating site but it is still related to dating, and combining dating and a paysite... you definitly decided to take on a big challenge.

You did not contact me yet

He doesn't have the funds now to start a legal tube. Judging by his design and the fact that he's cutting up ancient content from his existing site to make his current site tells you he doesn't have much money to launch a new project.

But he has a traffic source, that is all he really needs. I have over $20,000 of programming done for a tube site just sitting around that I never got going, and just haven't had the time to mess with. I would work him out a good % deal (or anyone else) to use the code, all they would need to do is send traffic to it and run it.

See nig sig

This site is going to turn fat jackoffs into full blown rapists.

Scenario - Fat guy (YesSignals.com customer) is riding the bus. He is on the way back to his mom's basement after shopping at the comic book store. A hot girl on the bus accidentally glances back at him. Fat guy thinks to himself, "Oh my god, I saw this on YesSignals.com. She just gave me sideways look just like the horse faced girl showed me on the website."

Fat guy proceeds to wait for hot girl's stop and then steps off the bus behind her. He waits until no one is around and approaches hot girl and attempts to hit on her. Hot girl totally denies him and gets really scared, destroying the delusionary world that years of jerking off to strange porn and YesSignals.com have created for him. Fat guy instantly snaps and grabs her by the arms, pulling her into a back alley, where he then rapes her repeatedly and murders her.

fap fap fap fap fap

don't stop there!

Sleazy did you ever think about retention of you customers.

Is there someone who already has stats/ratios?

I wonder what happens if someone takes your idea, which is in general a good one, and really develops it. If you need help, just shout out.

creative :1orglaugh

OMFG! I LOL'd :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


spaz

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh... The dangers of exposing some wrist.

:1orglaugh:Oh crap.....:1orglaugh

Best of luck. seems like an underworked niche, hit it hard.

you need better design but good luck

add your site to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist