Doesn't look good for Czarina if she's going to avoid this.

And if the site goes down in the next few days, you know she was up to something.

I have to say she (or he or whatever) looks good for a tranny...
and stats are also rockin'...

Bump for an explanation.

Bump for drama...

WOW looks like you are in serious trouble, but i am sure you have an explanation ... there is always 2 versions

Can you believe it? There are questions that need to be answered.

Czarina has always had a good rep in the adult community. I would hope there's some plausible explanation of mixed signals between her and the model or something. Weird.

so czarina have bought non exclusive content? i am not into this but

how horrible that shit like this was pulled.

promote Ana's site that is tried and tested. period.
http://tsmiamigoddess.com/goddess/
ftw

tranny is best with ice

Czarina needs to clear this up! Why does she not post?

nothing?

WHAT?
Ana asked me personally to put the links to her blog on tsmiamigoddess.com since she's not using myspace anymore. She is updating her blog on anatranny.com herself.
I'm calling her right now on the phone. I'll be posting here once I talk to her.

Cleo: if you're accusing me of damaging the site TSMiamiGoddess.com in any way, you need to have server logs to prove it. I have done nothing but to help Ana with her site. And I myself told Ana not to get rid of TSMiamiGoddess.com since it was a source of income for her. (I keep all emails in case you need to see them). Remember, it was me who set up her live cam on TSMiamiGoddess a few weeks ago for her.

Ana and I have a contract for AnaTranny.com. So there's no drama here. I bet you're upset she didn't tell you about this. Oops!

This is my last post until I get Ana on the phone.

ruh roh lol

Actually you screwed up the code so bad on the join pages that that the links became unclickable. If it had just been the root tour then it would have been excusable since that is between you and Ana but you should know better than to add traffic links to an affiliate tour screwing over all her affiliates including me.

But then you should know better than to talk a model into letting you duplicate her site and setup a whole new affiliate program.

Or is this some new business model that you have come up with? Instead of joining an affiliate program duplicate everything and make your own affiliate program. Hey maybe Playboy would like you to do the same with their sites?

You have been in this biz for a long time so it isn't like you made some newbie mistake. You took advantage of Ana's naivety after getting hired to do some design work for her and convinced her to screw over all her existing affiliates by creating a duplicate of her site where none of them would get credit for sales.

Either that or you are just one dumb bitch.

I just talked to Ana on the phone.

Cleo: I don't know why you started all this drama. How dare you drag my name thru the mud accusing me of stealing Ana's site or content? Who do you think you are to make false accusations and say that I broke any links in TSMiamiGoddess or that I added any spam to her site?
THE ONLY CHANGES MADE TO TSMIAMIGODDESS WERE REQUESTED BY ANA (Ana is the owner of the site, NOT you). She even had to ask me TWICE to add the link to her blog to the site.

I have never stolen anything from anybody and much less a website design or content. Ana and I have a CONTRACT and a very good relationship. All along I have insisted that Ana continues with TSMiamiGoddess, I even installed her webcam on it, which has helped YOUR retention.

Ana told me she spoke to you on the phone a few minutes ago and that she cleared everything up. I would appreciate it if you retracted from your accusations here but I don't expect it.

Guys: Ana's site is not coming down. This is a legal site, the design is OWNED by Ana herself (both sites are owned by Ana), AnaTranny.com is being updated 3 or 4 times a week with new content, and there's no issues here.

You and I both know I never touched the join page on that site.

so you've made a total of 1 sale (at 1:40 signup page ratio - the real ratio is 1:1219)

we are supposed to be impressed, why?

Okay, if both sites are owned by Ana, then why has she decided to mess with her affiliates by creating competing sites?

wow, this thread sucks

Yes you did when you added the link for Ana's cam shows to both the root join page and the affiliate join page.

All the image slices were messed up so that the image maps no longer were over the join images.

You still haven't explained why you talked Ana into having you make a duplicate of her site instead of just joining her affiliate program like everyone else does.

Cleo what are you so pissed off about if this is not your site?

Are you pissed off because you're not getting a piece of this pie? Tough luck puppet, if all you did was put up a few banners, you weren't doing much and Ana apparently needed someone to help her grow her online presence.

It's very unprofessional to bring this sort of issue to the board without talking to Czarina first, and what's with the name calling? The fact that she's not playing your game here, and instead went to solve the issue with Ana herself tells me that she's much more professional than you. Unless you setup a conference call with all 3 of you and forgot to tell us?

No, I knew about this site over a month ago. I told Ana I didn't think it was a good idea but it was her stuff so it was up to her.

I got pissed off when czarina went into TSMiamiGoddess and messed up the join pages and put up links to blog that no one at TSMiamiGoddess was going to get credit for joins to.

I called Ana asking her what was going on and she said that she didn't realize what she had done and told me to fix things.

Actually it was TSMiamiGoddess' affiliates that first brought all of this to my attention asking me why there were links on her tour that they weren't getting credit for. That and wanting to know why there were now two CCBill programs for the same content.

This mess is czarina's doing.
If czarina wanted to have control over this she could have just taken over TSMiamiGoddess from me. It is Ana's domain and she has always been free to do with it as she pleases including giving it to a different webmasters to run but instead czarina took it upon herself to setup a whole new program screwing over the existing affiliates. She already had FTP access and CCBill access to TSMiamiGoddess when she did all of this.

why dont one of you two ask Ana to clear this up?

GFY catfight, why does this she-dude need 2 programs anyway?

The way I see this, either the model knowingly and with full intent decided to screw over her existing affiliates and create a duplicate site. If that is the case, I don't want to send her traffic.

OR

the model is clueless, and the ramifications of a second site to existing affiliates were not explained to her in a manner she could understand.

If this were simply a matter of the model wanting her online presence handled in a different way, considering it has been stated that the model owns the site, why would she not just get Cleo to move the site off her server, and take it where she wanted to?

I've already switched links to the original site, which I did not even know existed until this started breaking open on another board. I'm interested in the outcome, and would really like to know if Ana was aware of what she was doing to her existing affiliate base by starting a second site.

Bingo.
Ana is a very trusting person and took the advice of czarina. She had no idea what she was doing. She didn't understand that her existing affiliates would not get credit for sales. I had no idea that czarina had setup a brand new CCBill account until I went to the join page of AnaTranny.com.

Again, why would someone setup a brand new program with a different CCBill account unless they were trying to screw over the existing affiliates or were just clueless? I know Ana was clueless but what is czarina excuse?

I talked to Ana on the phone today. She feels really bad about what has happened.

She doesn't know what to do with AnaTranny.com now but was very clear about wanting to continue with TSMiamiGoddess.com since that has been her domain for many years and she considers it her baby.

wow this became a mess.

Bottom line is it is Ana's site. Ana has control over everything at TSMiamiGoddess including the Domain Name, CCBill account and Hosting.

My only involvement is the domain is hosted on my server (Ana pays me for this each month) and I'm an affiliate of TSMiamiGoddess plus I do web work for her when she has an update or wants something changed. We are not talking about a lot of money here, more like pizza money.

I mostly do all of this for Ana because she is a friend.

Alright let me get this straight, I actually started to promote her yesterday but ..am I using the wrong links here? I am promoting her via TSMiamiGoddess. Am I safe to use those links or what?

Dont wanna lose out on sales here.

I'm staying out of the "who's content part",
But those of you that think those are great stats don't have a fucking clue. :2 cents:

My join form ratios are over 200% better than that and I have average or maybe slightly above average conversion ratios. (maybe 1:500 average if I'm lucky) Some affiliates do 1:100, some do 1:300, some do 1:2500

It all depends on 100's of things what their/your conversion ratio will be. :2 cents:

She posted join form ratios because based on those her real average conversion ratio has to be up in the 1:2000 - 1:3000 if not higher. :2 cents:

So don't be fooled.

Good Day,
BV

http://bvbucks.com/bvbucks-joinformstats.gif

robocrop and any one who has questions that need answers please contact me at info[at]wedesig.net and I'll give you the info.

But I will not bring myself down to keep on responding to Cleo, who is NOT the owner of the site, nor the design, nor the domain, nor the ccbill account or the content. And I'll definitely not respond to the name calling.

TSMiamiGoddess has been around for many years. I personally promote it and do rather well with it.

The ultimate fate of TSMiamiGoddess is in Ana's hands. In my phone call to her today she said that she intends to keep it and start updating it again.

sweetie, you have awesome stuff, I already know that :) Thanks for the bump

Do you just not bother reading stuff or are you just in your own world?

Below is what I have already posted.

you show "ccbill sign up form" to "approval" .. 1:40 LMAO that's acutally not pretty good IMO

If that 1:40 was on "join page" to 'approval' then that's something to be proud of.

submit it for review to get our traffic

what about counting all hits to the front page? whats the ratio then?

Alright thanks Cleo, I just wanted to know if I promote her via a program that doesnt give me credit for sales.

i signed up when i read this thread and i'm promoting it on my tranny blog......should i take it all down or leave it up ??

All I can tell you is I run TSMiamiGoddess for Ana and as long as I'm her webmaster the tour will stay clean with no traffic leaks (now that I've removed the traffic leaks that czarina added) and the CCBill account won't get changed. If for any reason Ana chooses to not to have me as her webmaster anymore I would be up front with everyone and make a posting about it.

If you do promote TSMiamiGoddess I would appreciate you signing up under me but even if you don't I'll be glad to assist you with anything you need.

I've been around since 1998 and have a good reputation. My ICQ is 77080145 if anyone has any questions or needs anything.

Like I have already said, Ana's site is just pizza money for me, it's more of a favour friendship thing. The site that is my real money maker is FoxyAngel's site. It has over 60 gigs of content in its member's area with very regular updates.

FoxyAngel has 3 tours with no traffic leaks.
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/foxyangel.png
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/foxyangel2.png
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/foxyebonytgirls.png

You can signup for FoxyAngel under me here.

I've also been helping out another Tgirl that is just starting out in the biz. Her webmaster program is here. Her site is an amateur hardcore site with mostly interracial content. She seems to be updating more or less regularly but her site is only a few months old.
This is her tour, also with no traffic leaks.
(I was going to get czarina to redo the tour but now I'll be using a designer that I can trust)
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/tsdivagirls.png

If anyone needs anything with any of these tranny sites just hit me up even if you haven't signed up under me. ICQ 77080145

this is really strange, don't know what to think. Did Czarina made the design or not? If so, who hired her? Why did she take the tour for herself? How did CCBill and VISA accept her site if it was a copy of an existing site? Model might be all the naive you want, but how did Czarina contact her if she wasn't hired by the model herself?

Either way I look at it, I feel like there are unknown facts both parts aren't saying.

on the stats thing, am I missing soemthing or those stats are quite horrible? that's not 1:40, that looks more like anywhere between 1:1000 and 1:100000, probably around 1:2500 taking common CTR and CvRt for the niche

Pull your links.

I just got off of the phone with Ana. Bottom line is Ana doesn't want to be involved with doing a website and has no intention of updating.

Now she has put control of her domain into her boyfriend's name and doesn't seem to know what she is doing with anything.

I don't need this hassle. Especially since I've never made any real money off of TSMiamiGoddess.

I'll be deleting her domains off of my server tonight. I've already deleted or redirected her links off of my stuff.

I'm done with all of this. It has cost me way too much of my time and isn't worth the aggravation.

No good deed goes unpunished...

So......this turned out well...guess I am pulling everything when this is confirmed.

:thumbsup

:helpme


lol --- the plot thickens!