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why so big... we have the same setup with no pricing and join by credit card same as anatranny, we are 1:8... its not a viable ratio, surely affiliate hits to sales is the only one that counts... imo - why not post that??
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don't go too hard on czarina, fellas, she's a female, you know
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Also, the tranny tour has blind links on the main page, so most people go to the join page. You don't, so much more targetted visitors come to your join page, and even more targetted to billing. I feel like in junior high. |
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So after years of selling memberships she still had almost no members. With revshare it just isn't worth it if the members don't retain. I really had hopes that after she had redid her tour last year she would start updating but she didn't. Then after she had camshows added to her site a few months ago I again hoped fore updates but again no updates, no cam shows either. She is hot looking with a charismatic personality and could do very well with a site but she doesn't want to put the effort into shooting content for a website and prefers the easier money of escorting. :Oh crap |
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this is all irrelevant as her site will no longer operate, im just interested! |
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The tranny is hot, but there are others just as hot that are zero hassle to promote. If any of her sites is still active in 6 months or so with regular updates for that time frame, maybe we'll revisit it. :2 cents: |
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http://anatranny.com/images/ana_manc...ny_join_07.jpg is not a blind link. :2 cents: Granted she does not have the price listed, but neither do I on 5 of my 9 sites. So my case stands and you are WRONG! |
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she is tranny? wow
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I don't know what all the drama is about. Apparently Ana moved everything to Czarina's server, so she mustn't trust Cleo very much.
I've done business with Czarina in the past and she's straight as an arrow. Never had a problem with her and ANA LOOKS AWESOME! |
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Both my partner and I talked to her for a long time last night. My partner speaks Spanish so I'm sure she understood that be sending traffic to a different CCBill account then what webmasters had signed up under would get screwed. After getting off the phone I walked into my office, logged into my server and hit the delete button on the two domains that she had on my server. I had had enough. She has put the domain TSMiamiGoddess into her boyfriend's control. She said she didn't want the hassles or expense of doing her own domain and had no interest in doing updates and Czarina was willing to host everything for free plus not charge her for doing updates although I'm not sure what Czarina will be doing for updates since Ana never shoots anything new. I was her forth webmaster that tried to help her. I doubt Czarina will have anymore luck dealing with her. She always promisees to put effort into her stuff but never delivers more than a few updates and then points her hooker ads to the domain and never does anymore updates. She only cares about the tour. I'm just glad to be done with all of this with the exceptions of making a few posts and a few boards like I promised to do if I was no longer connected with her stuff. |
holy shit.. you just deleted the data and domains off your server because you were frustrated? I hope you made some kind of backup of the stuff, that's a pretty brash move to do so hastily ... I'd be sueing your ass if I was "paying you" to host MY material and you wiped it out.. if I am mistaken on what you did then I apologize up front, but from your posts this is what I gather..
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This is not the first time she told me she wanted to get rid of her website. Two boyfriends ago she wanted to get rid of it because her boyfriend didn't approve. I talked her out of it then but after this drama I had enough. |
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Were you a primary affiliate on the TOP TIER referring all the other webmasters into the ccbill program? Or are you just upset to see a supposed clone of a site? If you're not making much money off it other than the hosting and updating of her site then that's just the breaks I guess.. I can not even count the number of times my concepts have been reproduced on my hands.. Its just the nature of the beast.. Try promoting both of them maybe? Get multiple revenue streams just as she is trying to do.. One tour may perform better than another and vice versa.. This shit happens all over the place.. Saturation happens.. Sometimes you need a fresh approach.. |
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this thread is so damn confusing
are all parties involved trannies? if so i didnt know trannies could PMS |
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What isn't on this board is Ana posting and none of this drama would have taken place if Ana had been up-front with everyone. |
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Two dumb morons battling it out LOL
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Cleo: I wasn't going to honor you by answering here anymore. But since you kindly bumped the thread, I want to thank you for the bump and the free press. Like our conversions show, the old adagio is true: There's no bad press.
We had 16 new webmasters signup for our program since you started all this drama and 78 sales yesterday, most of them from those same new webmasters. So even trying to hurt Ana and I, you did us a favor. Keep up the good work! To all webmasters: AnaTranny.com is updated 3 to 4 times a week, and offers Free webcam shows to her members and actual promo tools. To those of you who haven't signed up yet, I'd like to extend a warm invitation to do so. Please signup at www.AmateurDough.com For the webmasters who were promoting under the other site, and were UNCEREMONIOUSLY cut-off by the other host when she deleted the old site from her server, please contact me personally at info[at]wedesig.net |
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1. Are you saying Cleo is lying about what Ana told her on the phone with malicious intent? (re: not updating with new content)
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there's something I still don't understand, so just to be clear:
1- Did Cleo hire Czarina? It seems like that since Cleo had exactly the same tour. 2- If Cleo hired Czarina, then did Czarina stole the model from Cleo? 3- If Cleo didn't hire Czarina, who made that tour? And why is Czarina using it? 4- If Cleo hired Czarina, did she pay for the design? And if so, did she lose her money and on top of that she lost her model? 5- If Cleo hired Czarina and she didn't pay, could it be that Czarina stole her model on revenge? 6- All the above? 7- None of the above? This is too confusing so I won't go further without knowing the facts. But this really looks like a fucked up situation and I wouldn't touch these sites with a 100ft pole. Right now it looks like one of the names involved isn't someone to trust at all unless she comes clean and tells all the facts |
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2. The old content in the first site is just that. Old some of it is in the new members area but you can tell instantly whats old and new just based on the image and video size. Ana had stopped updating the old site before the redesign as she was not really making enough to pay for the hosting and the updates. We have plenty of new photos and videos in HD you can put on your blog, just drop me a mail. Lots of new stuff and in far superior quality. And plenty more to come. Ana send in photos and videos daily. Quote:
1. Ana PAID ME to design her site 2 years ago. Then a few months ago, Ana came back to me again and asked me about getting things started new and fresh. Ana paid me for the work. No one else. Ana was in on the design from the start and as we all know can put the site on as many domains as she likes. AFTER ALL. She owns the design, the domain, the processing and she IS the site. Cleo was the Host Paid monthly, a webmaster that promoted Anas site and a webmaster that charged her to put in the updates. Thats it. Nothing more. Cleo was a good affiliate and sends in great traffic. But for some reason has started this drama and seems to have the great desire to continue it. The drama is fake and a waste of time. If you want to get making some money from this site just sign up for the program. www.amateurdough.com |
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However, if there was no contract signed, no matter how unethical your behavior, Cleo has no legal grounds to bitch about, reason why she took all down when she realized that. At least she has learned a lesson: business is business and if you act like an amateur, then you kind of deserve whatever happens. In short, what I thought as first was comfirmed: Ana is just a dumb idiot using the site to promote her escorting side, Cleo is a moron who believes in fairies and unicorns and you're just the shady person who noticed this situation and took advantage of it getting a free site filled with content in the process. And as unethical and shady as this whole thing was, hats off to you. On the other side, now you have a big neon sign over your head. Seeing how you conduct business I doubt many people will want to hire you, so I hope this site really worths it :2 cents: |
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Czarina was hired again to add camshows to Ana's site by Ana and given FTP access by me to do this late last year. Czarina used her FTP access to copy the enter domain under a new CCBill account on her server. Czarina put up very large text links on every page of both the root tour and affiliate tour to her new domain on the original domain and also screwed up the join page when she added the link to the camshows causing the join buttons to stop working. I removed Czarina's text links, fixed the join pages and changed the FTP password locking out Czarina. Czarina then advised Ana to change the name servers on her domain to point to Czarina's domain redirecting all traffic from TSMiamiGoddess.com to AnaTranny.com After a phone from Ana letting me know what was going on I deleted the domain TSMiamiGoddess.com from my server but leaving the files there as I did not want to be a part of fucking over her her affiliates, including me. I was Ana's third or forth webmaster. The domain TSMiamiGoddess.com was moved to my server by the webmaster before me. The CCBill account was setup by her first webmaster and controlled by Ana. I simple keep everything the same when I became the webmaster. I billed Ana .50¢ a gig for her bandwidth which came out to an average of about $50 a month. I charged her a small amount of she gave me updates to render the movies, turn the pics into galleries and add them to the member's area but she just about never gave me updates. TSMiamiGoddess.com averaged around 200 members. About half of these members were through joins that I sent and then rest were either from affiliates that were under me or joins that Ana were from search engines. By Czarina switching CCBill accounts all of this was wiped out. It was a nice deal for me to make a couple of bucks off of my unused bandwidth and scraper traffic from no thank you links at the bottom of galleries. It was pizza money compared to what I make off of my other stuff but it was and easy few extra bucks each month. I would have had no problem at all if Czarina wanted to become Ana's next webmaster if she had kept the same CCBill account but by switching CCBill accounts she fucked over everyone. |
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Cleo was the host. she did some updates that Ana paid for and thats it. Cleo did not own or have anything to do with the domain, the processing etc. She was not the owner and to my knowledge was only an affiliate! So you think that I needed to ask an affiliates permission??? Cloe has made this into something that it never was, I did not steal Ana away. The first program had 9 affiliates and 8 banners for them to promote with and thats it.. So ana wanted to grow that. It had not been done in more than a year, and she wanted to make more. I did not take ana from Cleo, Ana asked me for help and Cleo was unable, or unwilling to do the things I have done. |
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You have just accused me of Theft and Fraud. Since I KNOW you have no proof, and the only way that I could have accessed the server is using the owners Ana's info I had the right to do every thing that Ana requested of me. This is the last time I will respond to your absurd and unfounded comments. And if anyone screwed anyone Cleo, you did by shutting down the hosting 24 hours before the domain was moved. You screwed the webmasters and the members. Which CCBill and I have taken care of. |
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You think it is fine to change the CCBill account to a different one than the one that the members and affiliates are setup under? Why is TSMiamiGoddess being redirected to AnaTranny's CCBill account instead of going to the TSMiamiGoddess' domain and CCBill account? You and Ana has access to everything needed to continue this site on your server but you have chosen not to. You think I actually care about a site with only a few hundred members that is just about never updated. I just want to be sure everyone knows that I had nothing to do with changing out a processor and redirecting a site without telling anyone. You were hired to do a design job and this is what you have done. I hope the few bucks that you might make doing this was worth it. You will never see work from me or anyone that I do business with again. |
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Ana is the owner of the CCBill account, the domain and the site. She can do anything she chooses, and it was her choice. You were the one that continues to bump this thread and create drama where there's none. I told you this is over, I will not respond to you again. |
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Why didn't they leave the original site up with the old ccbill? Czarina, have you even contacted the affiliates that sent traffic to TSMiamiGodess? |
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Here's how the story goes: 1- Ana asked me to make a new site using the same tour (which she loves) and a REAL affiliate program so she could make real money, since there was no real affiliate program or tools before. Please note that she has the right to do so because she owns it all. 2- TSmiamiGoddess.com had been online for about 2 years. The site had not been updated for about 1 year. Its affiliate program had been online also for about 2 years, and the only tools is had was 10 banners. There were ONLY 8 to 10 affiliates sending traffic to it. Cleo was the main affiliate, sending the majority of the sales. 3- Cleo was hosting the old site in her servers. That was the WHOLE EXTENT of her involvement with the site. She became enraged when she saw that Ana was expanding, and DELETED THE OTHER SITE FROM HER SERVER, LEAVING ALL AFFILIATES HANGING!!! She did this. Not me. 3- Cleo redirected her old domain to her new site AnaTranny.com (AFTER CLEO DELETED THE OLD SITE FROM HER SERVER, WITHOUT PERMISSION, DESPITE BEING THE PAID HOST). 4- All affiliates were emailed and notified of this situation. 5- Ana's intention was to keep both sites, but since Cleo decided to DELETE TSMIAMIGODDESS FROM HER SERVER, DESPITE ANA HAVING PAID FOR THE HOSTING, Ana had no choice but to close the other site completely. This site is being reworked and will be opened with a few surprises as a complement to her new affiliate program :) But right now I'm busy responding to Cleo's ridiculous accusations, instead of working on it. I guarantee that any affiliate sending sales before will make TWICE (or more) the money they were making before, since now the site is updated regularly, there's lots of new stuff going up and Ana is giving free webcam shows to her members. |
I billed Ana after bandwidth was used so Ana was not charged for hosting and then had her site deleted so actually Ana had a week or so on my server that she was never billed for.
Her domain was not deleted until after I and then my partner, in Spanish, spoke to her and she told use that you had advised her to redirect TSMiamiGoddess to AnaTranny. Ana basically said she didn't understand all of this and didn't care as she didn't need the money from running a website and it was too much work. None of the affiliates that I have spoken to knew anything about the traffic being redirected and for that matter the first I knew about this was when you put large text links on TSMiamiGoddess. The only email you sent out was promoting AnaTranny and did not mention that TSMiamiGoddess would be redirected to AnaTranny or that it even existed. And as far as updates go Ana will only update for a month or so and then not shoot anything new, just like she has done with every webmaster over the years. Czarina you know what you did. Your business ethics makes you someone that I would ever do business with again. You could have just used her existing CCBill account and then none of this drama would have happened. |
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