Bingo.
Ana is a very trusting person and took the advice of czarina. She had no idea what she was doing. She didn't understand that her existing affiliates would not get credit for sales. I had no idea that czarina had setup a brand new CCBill account until I went to the join page of AnaTranny.com.

Again, why would someone setup a brand new program with a different CCBill account unless they were trying to screw over the existing affiliates or were just clueless? I know Ana was clueless but what is czarina excuse?

I talked to Ana on the phone today. She feels really bad about what has happened.

She doesn't know what to do with AnaTranny.com now but was very clear about wanting to continue with TSMiamiGoddess.com since that has been her domain for many years and she considers it her baby.

wow this became a mess.

Bottom line is it is Ana's site. Ana has control over everything at TSMiamiGoddess including the Domain Name, CCBill account and Hosting.

My only involvement is the domain is hosted on my server (Ana pays me for this each month) and I'm an affiliate of TSMiamiGoddess plus I do web work for her when she has an update or wants something changed. We are not talking about a lot of money here, more like pizza money.

I mostly do all of this for Ana because she is a friend.

Alright let me get this straight, I actually started to promote her yesterday but ..am I using the wrong links here? I am promoting her via TSMiamiGoddess. Am I safe to use those links or what?

Dont wanna lose out on sales here.

I'm staying out of the "who's content part",
But those of you that think those are great stats don't have a fucking clue. :2 cents:

My join form ratios are over 200% better than that and I have average or maybe slightly above average conversion ratios. (maybe 1:500 average if I'm lucky) Some affiliates do 1:100, some do 1:300, some do 1:2500

It all depends on 100's of things what their/your conversion ratio will be. :2 cents:

She posted join form ratios because based on those her real average conversion ratio has to be up in the 1:2000 - 1:3000 if not higher. :2 cents:

So don't be fooled.

Good Day,
BV

http://bvbucks.com/bvbucks-joinformstats.gif

robocrop and any one who has questions that need answers please contact me at info[at]wedesig.net and I'll give you the info.

But I will not bring myself down to keep on responding to Cleo, who is NOT the owner of the site, nor the design, nor the domain, nor the ccbill account or the content. And I'll definitely not respond to the name calling.

TSMiamiGoddess has been around for many years. I personally promote it and do rather well with it.

The ultimate fate of TSMiamiGoddess is in Ana's hands. In my phone call to her today she said that she intends to keep it and start updating it again.

sweetie, you have awesome stuff, I already know that :) Thanks for the bump

Do you just not bother reading stuff or are you just in your own world?

Below is what I have already posted.

you show "ccbill sign up form" to "approval" .. 1:40 LMAO that's acutally not pretty good IMO

If that 1:40 was on "join page" to 'approval' then that's something to be proud of.

submit it for review to get our traffic

what about counting all hits to the front page? whats the ratio then?

Alright thanks Cleo, I just wanted to know if I promote her via a program that doesnt give me credit for sales.

i signed up when i read this thread and i'm promoting it on my tranny blog......should i take it all down or leave it up ??

All I can tell you is I run TSMiamiGoddess for Ana and as long as I'm her webmaster the tour will stay clean with no traffic leaks (now that I've removed the traffic leaks that czarina added) and the CCBill account won't get changed. If for any reason Ana chooses to not to have me as her webmaster anymore I would be up front with everyone and make a posting about it.

If you do promote TSMiamiGoddess I would appreciate you signing up under me but even if you don't I'll be glad to assist you with anything you need.

I've been around since 1998 and have a good reputation. My ICQ is 77080145 if anyone has any questions or needs anything.

Like I have already said, Ana's site is just pizza money for me, it's more of a favour friendship thing. The site that is my real money maker is FoxyAngel's site. It has over 60 gigs of content in its member's area with very regular updates.

FoxyAngel has 3 tours with no traffic leaks.
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/foxyangel.png
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/foxyangel2.png
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/foxyebonytgirls.png

You can signup for FoxyAngel under me here.

I've also been helping out another Tgirl that is just starting out in the biz. Her webmaster program is here. Her site is an amateur hardcore site with mostly interracial content. She seems to be updating more or less regularly but her site is only a few months old.
This is her tour, also with no traffic leaks.
(I was going to get czarina to redo the tour but now I'll be using a designer that I can trust)
http://cleos-porn-links.com/gfy/tsdivagirls.png

If anyone needs anything with any of these tranny sites just hit me up even if you haven't signed up under me. ICQ 77080145

this is really strange, don't know what to think. Did Czarina made the design or not? If so, who hired her? Why did she take the tour for herself? How did CCBill and VISA accept her site if it was a copy of an existing site? Model might be all the naive you want, but how did Czarina contact her if she wasn't hired by the model herself?

Either way I look at it, I feel like there are unknown facts both parts aren't saying.

on the stats thing, am I missing soemthing or those stats are quite horrible? that's not 1:40, that looks more like anywhere between 1:1000 and 1:100000, probably around 1:2500 taking common CTR and CvRt for the niche

Pull your links.

I just got off of the phone with Ana. Bottom line is Ana doesn't want to be involved with doing a website and has no intention of updating.

Now she has put control of her domain into her boyfriend's name and doesn't seem to know what she is doing with anything.

I don't need this hassle. Especially since I've never made any real money off of TSMiamiGoddess.

I'll be deleting her domains off of my server tonight. I've already deleted or redirected her links off of my stuff.

I'm done with all of this. It has cost me way too much of my time and isn't worth the aggravation.

No good deed goes unpunished...

So......this turned out well...guess I am pulling everything when this is confirmed.

:thumbsup

:helpme


lol --- the plot thickens!

why so big... we have the same setup with no pricing and join by credit card same as anatranny, we are 1:8... its not a viable ratio, surely affiliate hits to sales is the only one that counts... imo - why not post that??

don't go too hard on czarina, fellas, she's a female, you know

No, you don't. You have a button. And every surfer knows that it is already a billing page. I would bet the tranny join page has twice as much clickthroughs than you, or triple. That doesn't mean its the only thing that has an influence on sales, but its one of those minor things which add up.

Also, the tranny tour has blind links on the main page, so most people go to the join page. You don't, so much more targetted visitors come to your join page, and even more targetted to billing.

I feel like in junior high.

Her site sold well but since she just about never updated it her site didn't retain. That is why I said I did rather well with her site but only made pizza money with it.

So after years of selling memberships she still had almost no members. With revshare it just isn't worth it if the members don't retain. I really had hopes that after she had redid her tour last year she would start updating but she didn't. Then after she had camshows added to her site a few months ago I again hoped fore updates but again no updates, no cam shows either.

She is hot looking with a charismatic personality and could do very well with a site but she doesn't want to put the effort into shooting content for a website and prefers the easier money of escorting.

:Oh crap

Am i missing something.. please enlighten me - both join buttons (ours and theirs) click through to a join page (still on our own sites), then they both have a join by credit card button, once that is clicked then a 'form hit' is registered. So why would anatranny.com register a higher ratio, the form hit is only counted once that pay by credit card is hit, correct?

this is all irrelevant as her site will no longer operate, im just interested!

When plastic surgery goes bad...

Ditto that. I've stopped further promotion, and will go back and re-change existing galllery link codes for the 2nd time, which is 2 times too many.

The tranny is hot, but there are others just as hot that are zero hassle to promote. If any of her sites is still active in 6 months or so with regular updates for that time frame, maybe we'll revisit it.

:2 cents:

Yah agree on that! :(

Are you high? Last I checked

http://anatranny.com/images/ana_manc...ny_join_07.jpg is not a blind link. :2 cents:

Granted she does not have the price listed, but neither do I on 5 of my 9 sites.

So my case stands and you are WRONG!

You are correct, Andrej NDC is Incorrect.

she is tranny? wow

I don't know what all the drama is about. Apparently Ana moved everything to Czarina's server, so she mustn't trust Cleo very much.
I've done business with Czarina in the past and she's straight as an arrow. Never had a problem with her

and ANA LOOKS AWESOME!

She moved everything because last night I got so fucking frustrated with her that I deleted her off of my server.

Both my partner and I talked to her for a long time last night. My partner speaks Spanish so I'm sure she understood that be sending traffic to a different CCBill account then what webmasters had signed up under would get screwed.

After getting off the phone I walked into my office, logged into my server and hit the delete button on the two domains that she had on my server. I had had enough.

She has put the domain TSMiamiGoddess into her boyfriend's control. She said she didn't want the hassles or expense of doing her own domain and had no interest in doing updates and Czarina was willing to host everything for free plus not charge her for doing updates although I'm not sure what Czarina will be doing for updates since Ana never shoots anything new.

I was her forth webmaster that tried to help her. I doubt Czarina will have anymore luck dealing with her. She always promisees to put effort into her stuff but never delivers more than a few updates and then points her hooker ads to the domain and never does anymore updates. She only cares about the tour. I'm just glad to be done with all of this with the exceptions of making a few posts and a few boards like I promised to do if I was no longer connected with her stuff.

holy shit.. you just deleted the data and domains off your server because you were frustrated? I hope you made some kind of backup of the stuff, that's a pretty brash move to do so hastily ... I'd be sueing your ass if I was "paying you" to host MY material and you wiped it out.. if I am mistaken on what you did then I apologize up front, but from your posts this is what I gather..

I told her what I was going to do when I was on the phone with her and she said she didn't give a shit about her stuff or domains, she didn't want to be bothered with it anymore. I only deleted her domains off of my server not the actually data. She still has the FTP password to her stuff if she wants it. It is just a tour and a handful of shoots.

This is not the first time she told me she wanted to get rid of her website. Two boyfriends ago she wanted to get rid of it because her boyfriend didn't approve. I talked her out of it then but after this drama I had enough.

That is reasonable I guess.. You ended the relationship, but kept the data accessible for her.. fair at least.. But what boggles me is why are you so upset over this?? I understand you're also an affiliate, but models do this kind of stuff all the time, they shop themselves all over the place to get multiple revenue streams..

Were you a primary affiliate on the TOP TIER referring all the other webmasters into the ccbill program? Or are you just upset to see a supposed clone of a site? If you're not making much money off it other than the hosting and updating of her site then that's just the breaks I guess.. I can not even count the number of times my concepts have been reproduced on my hands.. Its just the nature of the beast..

Try promoting both of them maybe? Get multiple revenue streams just as she is trying to do.. One tour may perform better than another and vice versa.. This shit happens all over the place.. Saturation happens.. Sometimes you need a fresh approach..

I'm not that upset but I did say that I would post if I was no longer involved so I posted saying what happened.

I guess I am disappointed in Ana though. I really did put a lot of work into her site over the years including letting her stay with me, driving her around, and doing some of the photography. It really was a lot of hassle for very little money.

Yes I was and I was pretty upset that she wanted to redirect traffic from TSMiamiGoddess to AnaTranny which meant none of this affiliates would get credit, including me. Ana said that she didn't understand all of this and really didn't care but I suspect the real reason is her CCBill was in her first webmaster's name and now the new CCBill account is in Czarina's name. Ana doesn't have papers to be in the US so she can't put things in her name.

this thread is so damn confusing

are all parties involved trannies?
if so i didnt know trannies could PMS

Cleo sounds like a jealous burnt boyfriend too be honest.

( no offense Cleo...but it sounds very personal )