Originally Posted by Robocrop (Post 16843860)

Cleo sounds like a jealous burnt boyfriend too be honest.

( no offense Cleo...but it sounds very personal )

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 16844150)

I'm female so I'm definitely not a burnt boyfriend but maybe feeling a bit abused by all this drama.

Originally Posted by mattodue (Post 16844321)

I would just chaulk it up as a lesson learned. It's obvious your friend could care less either way. In the future, if you help a "friend" don't expect anything back in return, because you'll be disappointed. Either keep it all business, or help them because you can or want to.

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 16844150)

I'm female so I'm definitely not a burnt boyfriend but maybe feeling a bit abused by all this drama.

What isn't on this board is Ana posting and none of this drama would have taken place if Ana had been up-front with everyone.

Originally Posted by Robocrop (Post 16844647)

...models always fuck you over.

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16849488)

Cleo: I wasn't going to honor you by answering here anymore. But since you kindly bumped the thread, I want to thank you for the bump and the free press. Like our conversions show, the old adagio is true: There's no bad press.

We had 16 new webmasters signup for our program since you started all this drama and 78 sales yesterday, most of them from those same new webmasters. So even trying to hurt Ana and I, you did us a favor.

Keep up the good work!

To all webmasters: AnaTranny.com is updated 3 to 4 times a week, and offers Free webcam shows to her members and actual promo tools. To those of you who haven't signed up yet, I'd like to extend a warm invitation to do so. Please signup at www.AmateurDough.com

For the webmasters who were promoting under the other site, and were UNCEREMONIOUSLY cut-off by the other host when she deleted the old site from her server, please contact me personally at info[at]wedesig.net

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16849488)

Cleo: I wasn't going to honor you by answering here anymore. But since you kindly bumped the thread, I want to thank you for the bump and the free press. Like our conversions show, the old adagio is true: There's no bad press.

We had 16 new webmasters signup for our program since you started all this drama and 78 sales yesterday, most of them from those same new webmasters. So even trying to hurt Ana and I, you did us a favor.

Keep up the good work!

To all webmasters: AnaTranny.com is updated 3 to 4 times a week, and offers Free webcam shows to her members and actual promo tools. To those of you who haven't signed up yet, I'd like to extend a warm invitation to do so. Please signup at www.AmateurDough.com

For the webmasters who were promoting under the other site, and were UNCEREMONIOUSLY cut-off by the other host when she deleted the old site from her server, please contact me personally at info[at]wedesig.net

Originally Posted by sojproductions (Post 16842406)

Am i missing something.. please enlighten me - both join buttons (ours and theirs) click through to a join page (still on our own sites), then they both have a join by credit card button, once that is clicked then a 'form hit' is registered. So why would anatranny.com register a higher ratio, the form hit is only counted once that pay by credit card is hit, correct?

this is all irrelevant as her site will no longer operate, im just interested!

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16849563)

i signed up :)

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 16849567)

1. Are you saying Cleo is lying about what Ana told her on the phone with malicious intent? (re: not updating with new content)

2. Is the anatranny.com site updating with newly shot materials or with old materials from the tsmiamigoddess.com site?

I want to put her on my blogs but there's just too much drama I think...

Originally Posted by alan-l (Post 16849592)

there's something I still don't understand, so just to be clear:

1- Did Cleo hire Czarina? It seems like that since Cleo had exactly the same tour.
2- If Cleo hired Czarina, then did Czarina stole the model from Cleo?
3- If Cleo didn't hire Czarina, who made that tour? And why is Czarina using it?
4- If Cleo hired Czarina, did she pay for the design? And if so, did she lose her money and on top of that she lost her model?
5- If Cleo hired Czarina and she didn't pay, could it be that Czarina stole her model on revenge?
6- All the above?
7- None of the above?

This is too confusing so I won't go further without knowing the facts. But this really looks like a fucked up situation and I wouldn't touch these sites with a 100ft pole. Right now it looks like one of the names involved isn't someone to trust at all unless she comes clean and tells all the facts

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16849488)

Cleo: I wasn't going to honor you by answering here anymore. But since you kindly bumped the thread, I want to thank you for the bump and the free press. Like our conversions show, the old adagio is true: There's no bad press.

We had 16 new webmasters signup for our program since you started all this drama and 78 sales yesterday, most of them from those same new webmasters. So even trying to hurt Ana and I, you did us a favor.

Keep up the good work!

To all webmasters: AnaTranny.com is updated 3 to 4 times a week, and offers Free webcam shows to her members and actual promo tools. To those of you who haven't signed up yet, I'd like to extend a warm invitation to do so. Please signup at www.AmateurDough.com

For the webmasters who were promoting under the other site, and were UNCEREMONIOUSLY cut-off by the other host when she deleted the old site from her server, please contact me personally at info[at]wedesig.net

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16849630)

Thanks Brass.. :)




1. I dont know what Cleo said to Ana and it does not really matter. Cleo took the site down from her server. Thats the end of that.

2. The old content in the first site is just that. Old some of it is in the new members area but you can tell instantly whats old and new just based on the image and video size. Ana had stopped updating the old site before the redesign as she was not really making enough to pay for the hosting and the updates.

We have plenty of new photos and videos in HD you can put on your blog, just drop me a mail. Lots of new stuff and in far superior quality. And plenty more to come. Ana send in photos and videos daily.




1. Ana PAID ME to design her site 2 years ago. Then a few months ago, Ana came back to me again and asked me about getting things started new and fresh.

Ana paid me for the work. No one else. Ana was in on the design from the start and as we all know can put the site on as many domains as she likes. AFTER ALL. She owns the design, the domain, the processing and she IS the site.

Cleo was the Host Paid monthly, a webmaster that promoted Anas site and a webmaster that charged her to put in the updates. Thats it. Nothing more. Cleo was a good affiliate and sends in great traffic. But for some reason has started this drama and seems to have the great desire to continue it.

The drama is fake and a waste of time. If you want to get making some money from this site just sign up for the program. www.amateurdough.com

Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 16849729)

78 membership sales to this site in one day?

Originally Posted by alan-l (Post 16849592)

there's something I still don't understand, so just to be clear:

1- Did Cleo hire Czarina? It seems like that since Cleo had exactly the same tour.
2- If Cleo hired Czarina, then did Czarina stole the model from Cleo?
3- If Cleo didn't hire Czarina, who made that tour? And why is Czarina using it?
4- If Cleo hired Czarina, did she pay for the design? And if so, did she lose her money and on top of that she lost her model?
5- If Cleo hired Czarina and she didn't pay, could it be that Czarina stole her model on revenge?

Originally Posted by alan-l (Post 16849769)

well, things sounds a lot different now. Still you're not saying it all, since it's obvious that Cleo didn't just host her, but at least paid VISA fees and she has a program, affiliates, referrers and such, so, unless you contacted Cleo before hand and made some kind of arrangement, you stole the model from her and she'll lose some income. Pizza money or not. Even if Anna owned the CC processing account, by changing referring codes you fucked her off all her affiliates. If you were palying legit, you'd have imported accounts, which it's pretty evident you didn't or Cleo wouldn't be this mad....

... In short, what I thought as first was comfirmed: Ana is just a dumb idiot using the site to promote her escorting side, Cleo is a moron who believes in fairies and unicorns and you're just the shady person who noticed this situation and took advantage of it getting a free site filled with content in the process. And as unethical and shady as this whole thing was, hats off to you.

On the other side, now you have a big neon sign over your head. Seeing how you conduct business I doubt many people will want to hire you, so I hope this site really worths it :2 cents:

Originally Posted by alan-l (Post 16849769)

well, things sounds a lot different now. Still you're not saying it all, since it's obvious that Cleo didn't just host her, but at least paid VISA fees and she has a program, affiliates, referrers and such, so, unless you contacted Cleo before hand and made some kind of arrangement, you stole the model from her and she'll lose some income. Pizza money or not. Even if Anna owned the CC processing account, by changing referring codes you fucked her off all her affiliates. If you were palying legit, you'd have imported accounts, which it's pretty evident you didn't or Cleo wouldn't be this mad.

However, if there was no contract signed, no matter how unethical your behavior, Cleo has no legal grounds to bitch about, reason why she took all down when she realized that. At least she has learned a lesson: business is business and if you act like an amateur, then you kind of deserve whatever happens.

In short, what I thought as first was comfirmed: Ana is just a dumb idiot using the site to promote her escorting side, Cleo is a moron who believes in fairies and unicorns and you're just the shady person who noticed this situation and took advantage of it getting a free site filled with content in the process. And as unethical and shady as this whole thing was, hats off to you.

On the other side, now you have a big neon sign over your head. Seeing how you conduct business I doubt many people will want to hire you, so I hope this site really worths it :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 16850059)

Ana wanted a new tour about two years ago and I hired Czarina and Ana paid Czarina's fee.



That pretty much sums it up.

Czarina was hired again to add camshows to Ana's site by Ana and given FTP access by me to do this late last year.

Czarina used her FTP access to copy the enter domain under a new CCBill account on her server.

Czarina put up very large text links on every page of both the root tour and affiliate tour to her new domain on the original domain and also screwed up the join page when she added the link to the camshows causing the join buttons to stop working.

I removed Czarina's text links, fixed the join pages and changed the FTP password locking out Czarina.

Czarina then advised Ana to change the name servers on her domain to point to Czarina's domain redirecting all traffic from TSMiamiGoddess.com to AnaTranny.com

After a phone from Ana letting me know what was going on I deleted the domain TSMiamiGoddess.com from my server but leaving the files there as I did not want to be a part of fucking over her her affiliates, including me.

I was Ana's third or forth webmaster. The domain TSMiamiGoddess.com was moved to my server by the webmaster before me. The CCBill account was setup by her first webmaster and controlled by Ana.

I simple keep everything the same when I became the webmaster.

I billed Ana .50¢ a gig for her bandwidth which came out to an average of about $50 a month. I charged her a small amount of she gave me updates to render the movies, turn the pics into galleries and add them to the member's area but she just about never gave me updates.

TSMiamiGoddess.com averaged around 200 members. About half of these members were through joins that I sent and then rest were either from affiliates that were under me or joins that Ana were from search engines. By Czarina switching CCBill accounts all of this was wiped out.

It was a nice deal for me to make a couple of bucks off of my unused bandwidth and scraper traffic from no thank you links at the bottom of galleries. It was pizza money compared to what I make off of my other stuff but it was and easy few extra bucks each month.

I would have had no problem at all if Czarina wanted to become Ana's next webmaster if she had kept the same CCBill account but by switching CCBill accounts she fucked over everyone.

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16850143)

You have just accused me of Theft and Fraud. Since I KNOW you have no proof, and the only way that I could have accessed the server is using the owners Ana's info I had the right to do every thing that Ana requested of me.

This is the last time I will respond to your absurd and unfounded comments.

And if anyone screwed anyone Cleo, you did by shutting down the hosting 24 hours before the domain was moved. You screwed the webmasters and the members. Which CCBill and I have taken care of.

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 16850342)

I shut down the hosting because I was not going to be part of this.

You think it is fine to change the CCBill account to a different one than the one that the members and affiliates are setup under?

Why is TSMiamiGoddess being redirected to AnaTranny's CCBill account instead of going to the TSMiamiGoddess' domain and CCBill account? You and Ana has access to everything needed to continue this site on your server but you have chosen not to.

You think I actually care about a site with only a few hundred members that is just about never updated. I just want to be sure everyone knows that I had nothing to do with changing out a processor and redirecting a site without telling anyone.

You were hired to do a design job and this is what you have done. I hope the few bucks that you might make doing this was worth it.

You will never see work from me or anyone that I do business with again.

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16850390)

Ana is the owner of the CCBill account, the domain and the site. She can do anything she chooses, and it was her choice. You were the one that continues to bump this thread and create drama where there's none. I told you this is over, I will not respond to you again.

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 16851011)

You are willing to defraud affiliates by switching CCBill accounts

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 16851176)

This is fucking bad.

Why didn't they leave the original site up with the old ccbill? Czarina, have you even contacted the affiliates that sent traffic to TSMiamiGodess?