And you also keep saying that 15 major companies have hit you up to say he's not in the business.

That is a straight out lie. I don't even think more than one or two might have hit you up. Plenty of people know what Nysus owns and operates.

Again, you're just a scumbag taking money that doesn't belong to you.

He tried to, that much is fucking obvious. He should have walked away and refunded the money when he "found out" about Matt's history. Instead, he keep going with the idea that he'd get a part of Nysus's Owned.com

Pr0 straight up scammed Matt out of his money.

no sig here

That is considered hearsay and does not absolve you from defamation. Just saying.

a few people now have told me on ICQ that Nysus is certifiably insane in the last couple days.

I call this the Dirty D Rules to posting. :thumbsup

well its on the interwebs so it has to be true :1orglaugh

sig is looking at you

is nysus the guy with the unibrow?

I was ripped off by a 'client' a so called board personalty a few years ago.... and he's pretty much fucked over anyone that did biz with him however most forum members seem to take the attitude that you are presenting here in this post... my suggestion is that if you think pro is a thief etc.. you contact nysus and have a great time with working him.... just think.... you'll be wealthy beyond your wildest dreams $.02

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personal drama, not business drama as far as I am concerned.

hope everything works out

maybe they should just blow one another and hit the reset button and go separate ways.

Lets hope things will be resolved
2010 just started, get busy with business!

Maybe we're not seeing the same thing. Business took client's money and did not keep their end of the bargain. Has tried to weasel out of refunding all his money, while acknowledging that a refund was deserved (he offered half back). Then business has the nerve to bring the client's mental medical history into the mix. Then pulls the fake lawyer card, all while basically saying fuck him and his money, there's nothing he can do so I'm keeping it.

I would hope that most people would take the same attitude I have.

Not only do I think pr0 is a scammer, based on what both parties have said...I think he's a scumbag, lowlife who saw an opportunity to take advantage of someone and didn't manage to get away with it.

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Wouldn't the proper thing to do is to give back the retard his money. Now i'm not calling Nysus a retard, but from all of pr0's posts he's really beating down the "fact" how mentally unstable Nysus is. Would it not make sense to say "hey this guy is basically a head case, totally mental, It's not right to take his money?"

i think what could solve this problem if someone posted a screenshot of inhouse stats fron the worst converting dating program in history.

If you're not a lowlife, yes.

lol 8 char

Amusing.

Oh, and Nysus has been around [and in the biz] for a very long time.

I am very shocked how many people are insinuating that the stats Pr0 posts are not 100% real

I would say yes, that would be the most appropriate response. But times are tough I guess and people really need money.

That's not a valid reason why you should be allowed to keep the money.

We should get high together.

Of course not, but that's a reason why someone wouldn't pay back a client for work not done.

I don't think whether they were real or not was ever in question. :winkwink:

is anybody sitting here?

watch my popcorn dude!!

I have more to post, much more to post - but I felt I needed to clear up the lies / half-truths that pr0 was posting about what happened.

History via Email Correspondance

The non-bullshit version. If you want to read the bullshit version, refer to pr0's posts. Otherwise read below:

11/5/09 - Employee contacts me, introduces himself
11/6/09 - I reply with some additional login details that were missing from my original file I sent pr0
11/13/09 - Employee tells me everything is laid out and ready to go - doing installs that weekend
11/16/09 - Employee says he's uploading and installing at the moment
11/20/09 - Everything has been friendly up until this point.
- I send an email to Employee:

"Been over two weeks now but haven't seen anything yet?"

I was giving benefit of the doubt that things were just about to be setup and all pre-setup stuff had actually been done (as the employee had told me over these 2 weeks), and that sites will start to actually be setup soon (as the employee told me).

11/26/09 - 6 days later: Employee supposedly sent 2 emails that I didn't receive. Said he had an update for me later that day (never got one).

This is 21 days later, and no work is online yet -- Deadline is in 9 days. Should I be a bit worried / concerned?

What turned my benefit of a doubt into realizing the progress was lies? What gave it away - he had just contacting me to deal with support / hosting issues 21 days into the project, that he supposedly dealt with in the 1st week of the project.

I think anyone in this situation would start getting irritated with all of the "I'm doing things," but just excuses so far, and nothing done.

I was also pissed off that the month's worth of work I assumed / expected I would be getting could only possibly be 9 or 10 days worth of work with the deadline coming.

21 days / 3 weeks into the project - and I call the employee on the excuses (via email), and forward a copy to pr0 so he's aware of it. This is 9 days before the 1 month deadline.

11/27/09 - Untouched Market / pr0 / William replies to me and says:

- If he finds out employee is making excuses he'll be fired, and replaced

- This is when he told me to forget about final payment (which was his profits [probably additional profits] - that he has been stating he never was trying to get, since of course he has been telling everyone he was so kindly doing this a favour [to get in on Owned.com].

- He told you all that I weaselled my way out of paying less, when in fact he stated himself I no longer had to pay it. This final payment also wasn't in the contract because I didn't overly trust him / or other contractors because of being fucked over so much (including with Owned.com which is why it's taking so long to get something good on it), and so he kept it out of the contract and said that if he fucked me then I wouldn't have to pay / wouldn't have to worry - and to me that was a good incentive for him to do a good job … so I felt more comfortable to send him money. And he was fine with this because he trusted me to pay him the remainder once work was completed.

- He reassures me that the employee or replacement will finish the job, and says other things to make me feel relaxed and good about things

- He tells me there will be no more excuses, no more delays, only progress. He apologizes that I ever had to write the email, and thanked me for CC'ing it to him.

11/28/09 - 4 weeks in -- First blogs get installed via hosting support request. They get auto-populated with RSS feed.

Sometime inbetween here I talk to him in messenger - he concludes the conversation / my concerns by telling me to have some more patience.

12/3/09 - 5 days before deadline. I send an email to pr0 / William reminding him that I have SEO hosting costs and a plan I need to stick to (that he knew about prior) in order for me to have money for my other project plans to move ahead. I tell him I am concerned, that there is need for concern based on lack of progress so far. And that he has had my money for almost a month with nothing done. I mention that support issues should have been all dealt within 5 days, not after 25 days. I end the email with "25 days is a lot of patience."

12/8/09 - This is the deadline date. Employee emails me. Basic Wordpress installs done on some more domains. Some with auto-populated content from RSS feeds; Wordpress installs done by hosting companies. Over half of the domains are still just domains. The rest of everything had very little time put into it.

What has been setup so far is basically nothing as to what was promised or expected or was discussed for what would be done - so please don't say "well he did work" - it's not even a small fraction of the work that was supposed to be done, and most of it was done by hosting company installs via quick support requests.

12/12/09 - 4 days past deadline. Still hearing excuses from employee. I email him saying I don't want to hear more excuses or reasons of things not being done. I describe the situation, and I state that this not being done fucks up my plans (that deadline pr0 knew was very important to meet, and that this shit was the exact stuff I was tired of dealing with; I shouldn't of having to be micro-managing pr0's employee either). I also state I don't trust what the employee is saying.

At this point I'm pissed off and irritated because I was lead on by the employee, and now pr0 for over a month, and .

Email conversation ends.

On to the message logs:

01/05/10 - NOTE: Project is 1 month overdue at this date.

Some point in-between this he sends a support request to have host setup Wordpress installs. He doesn't send them the proper information (he believed he did: but when I followed up, which he should of done instead of getting angry, he in fact didn't send them the proper information).

01/11/10 - I mentioned seeing this support request to him. He just blames the hosting company for being incompetent. He doesn't follow up with them, doesn't reply to the support request. I realize he's not taking this serious, and it's already been 2 months (1 month overdue) and basically no real work has been done, and to expect anything to get done any time soon by him, or properly done was wishful thinking.

In his replies he continues to insult me, calls me a nutjob, etc.. I send him a text message afterwards (because he went offline immediately after) that I'm contemplating asking for a full refund again (which he had already said he'd give me + that he'd to compensate me for the hosting costs, and for fucking over my other plans he knew about).

01/12/10 - He sends me message saying I weaselled my way into paying less (read above: not true, he offered that as part compensation). Says a lot of things to try to make me worry, including insults.. nutjob, mental instability, broke the contract, and that he'll see me in court… etc..

Getting $2,000 is worth my time and effort into putting time into stating my side / the non-bullshit version. I should sue him for defamation as well, and other costs.

Basically now I'm going to have expenses of another 2-3 or 4 months of hosting so I can get the domains setup as proper sites, and let them mature and earning revenue before I can sell.


I'm heading out to a club now… Check back for more tomorrow though.. I have a lot more to say. Including seeing what pr0 will say, or not say regarding this:

- Someone contacted me and asked me to post anonymously for them. They paid $5,000 to pr0 (William / Untouched Markets) 1 year ago, and no work has been done yet. They want to see what pr0 has to say about that.

I can't confirm it - but pr0 can deny this if it's not true - I'm fairly sure the person will post though then if he does deny it.

Matt

P.S. The dates should be mostly correct. If I mistyped them it's because it's 1:11 AM and it's a lot to sort through. I'll go over them to confirm them tomorrow though. And I'll be posting responses to what other people have said.

P.S.S. Thanks for everyone's support.

pr0 is a straight up thief.

Good luck. ;)

I would say this rather a very good example of a proper "outsourcing clusterfuck". If you dont have 101% control over things this happens all the time. And yeah, pay according to performance/whats achieved and not upfront.

Sure this isn't Michael Anthony Mijaro?

I cant say I blame nysus for being upset after 14 days nothing had been done. IMO 2k for a months work is absolute full time wage for a "contractor". Meaning that this contractor should be on NO other jobs then nysus project. So in whats supposed to be 80 hours of full time work from this contractor, all that had been accomplished is having the host setup wordpress installs? Maybed a few rss feeds thrown in?

I think I can see how Nysus would be getting PISSED! Doesnt take mental problems to see that. Yes Pr0, I have multiple businesses and multiple employees, I know whats up and how hard it can be. Its your responsibility to keep on top of your workers and make sure things are getting done. What your employees do and act is a direct reflection on yourself Mr. Pr0

Something is fishy here and I hope these two guys can get to the bottom of it.

I decided to copy / paste responses of people from the other threads (I posted the same response into) who read my full post. This thread I will keep updating with all relevant responses: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets-post16753423.html


From http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16753251.html -

will74's response was in reference to the following he quoted pr0 saying:

pr0 said: "Nysus is a well known nutjob, who's not even in adult. He's also "leaving adult"....which he was never in adult in the first place. *laughing*

ALL FALSE.....Pay no attention to the nut job behind the curtain."

pr0 said: "It's too bad I found out about your mental status from everyone in the biz, only after I offered to help you out."

pr0 said: "This was done as a favor for Nysus, who i have been a personal friend of, for over a year, offering him free hosting on my webair box with 250+ ip's, for almost a year now, giving him free consulting etc.

I did this project as a favor to him."






- I forgot to mention that the person who paid pr0 the $5,000 wanted me and has had no work done yet to say that they had already posted in the first thread I started (http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16753251.html)

Defamation is a bad thing. There are 2 types of defamation:

1) Slander - this is defamation in spoken words

2) Libel - this is defamation is written words

How many blogs were you having set up and populated with rss for this price?

The money amount pr0 mentioned (and breached contract by doing so) wasn't the full amount for full payment.

Also, pr0 mentioned a number of sites (he shouldn't have mentioned any) - but he exaggerated the number, as he has exaggerated everything else to try to make me look bad and him look good.