I think ol dude should step up if there really was a problem.

The person hasn't because they apparently didn't have a contract, and they don't pr0 to disclose private details - like he has shown to do with my project even when there's a contract. I agree though it would be better.

Well I assumed since you were disclosing everything else we could all hear the number of sites that were to be set up originally for a few thousand.

hope you get your money back

What I have disclosed I was forced to do in order to try to minimize the defamatory comments and lies that pr0 / William / Untouched Markets said about me, and his half-truths and exaggerations about the situation.

holy fuck, this is getting serious, also shown from pr0's stats..he claims to makes 2k+ everyday...how fucking hard would it be to pay the sum back? I mean what would the loss of 1 days revenue feel? nothing compared to all the trash this thread has delivered.

Hey Robo - did you get the scraper fixed yet?

//sorry for threadjack

You wouldn't take on a project of that size if you were making that every day. I believe the stats showed closer to $3000 a day which is over a million a year. Why the hell would you bother with a $2000 contract for Wordpress installs and other crap?

The answer is you wouldn't. The answer is that the person probably was bullshitting on stats and pretending to be an e-baller. This isn't the first time a GFYer will run around claiming to be rich and then end up screwing someone over for a much smaller amount. Remember that Jans Van Asterdam guy? Same thing going on.

If a guy is running around the board claiming to be making tons of money, he probably isn't.

Lawyer is busy working out a deal with Pete-KT's PR staff.

lol at people actually believing stat "screenshots" posted on GFY :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Me too, and sooner rather than later. Or I will sue, and get more than what he currently owes me.

I am also building my own network, and let me tell you, for a "one man band" it definitely takes time.

I own a video production company and I hire a lot of contractors to shoot, edit and make graphics. Yes, some contractors do a crappy job, some don't even do the job or do it in a way that I have to hire someone to redo the project. I don't whine when these contractors are worthless, I just fix the problem and move on. I could take them to small claims court and win hands down, but the cost and time of court to win a judgement that will probably be impossible to collect is not worth it.

So some rules:
1. Only give the big jobs to those you have experience with.
2. For new contractors, check them out completely. Talk to more than one contractor about the project.
3. Set realistic milestones and payment schedules. If there looks like there is going to be a problem you will know really quick and can find someone else to take the project.
4. Never put your eggs in one basket. A contractor can hold your project hostage and demand outrageous fees.
5. Always get a second opinion. If a contractor tells you something and it does not sound right or you think you are getting the run-a-round then talk to someone who can look at the situation and give you an educated opinion.
6. This is business! never forget that.

My rules as a contractor:
1. understand the project completely.
2. set realist milestones and payment schedules
3. point out high risk milestones that could delay or kill the project.
4. make sure your client completely understands all cost of the project. Nobody likes to get hit with unexpected charges.
5. use an escrow system like elance to handle payments.
7. Document everything!
8. Never work on spec projects. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
9. never work for free.
10. Charge market rates, even to your friends. If they can get you to cutthroat yourself, then you will be their little bitch for everything.

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What happened to this guy? Did he go bankrupt? http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/920894-pr0s-summer-stats-post-dating-porn-fuck-recession.html

You say Nylus was a friend of yours but he has mental problems now. If that's really the case, whatever you think is right and wrong you have the reserve of strength to be the big guy here and pay him back the $2k which apparently he received nothing for.

Can't believe if the stats are really yours, that you weight $2k higher than your reputation. Because however this drama is twisted and turned it will come off as bad publicity, and all the name calling didn't help the case either.

I doubt many webmasters are still as impressed.

Nysus (the purportedly insane person) = offers well laid out, well thought out, detailed explanation that makes perfect sense

pr0 (the stand up, top notch guy) = offers only dodgy and contradictory explanations and was very quick with the personal attacks and its nothing but defensive

as a casual bystander - i would have to give Nysus the win.

I stopped reading your initial post right there. There was no need to go any further. Things should have ended right there.

Just a little FYI advice to you. 8 days into the project, if the client does what you mentioned above, you better off sending money back and washing your hands of him and being done with it. Why would you continue to hold on to the money and try to make a deal work when the person flipped out after a week, breaks a contract, changes the terms of the deal, and talks shit about you... why continue trying to work with them? There is no way that is going to turn out good.

What does him "not being in adult" have to do with anything? If he is or isn't I don't see how that is relivent.

I never understand people trying to keep money when work is not rendered. The client might become rude or hostile, or simply impatient which in many cases they are right because it is taking to long. The person holding the money strings them along waiting for the client to "go off" on them, make a post etc... then the person holding money says I'm keeping it now because of the time and headaches you caused....

If the money was sent back from day 1 there would have been no time and headaches. The client just wanted the work done or money back. Send the money back and you never hear from them again. Fight with them and string them along and then you justify your own reasoning for keeping their money. I've had this happen to me a couple times before. It seems like no matter how you handle it you never get the work you paid for or your money back.

He kept going because he wanted the piece of owned.com that Matt was offering as part of the revsharing deal. To me it just seems like he knew the situation and was just taking advantage of Nysus and the situation. Typical scumbag showing his true colors.

does complaining on a message board about unfinihsed work violate an nda?

also does violating an nda mean that you get to keep the money from an unfinished project?

something doesn't add up.

100

Pr0, pay up motherfucker!

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pr0, give the money back. Did you spend it all or something? The only possible reason for you not giving it back is that you don't have it anymore. If that's the case, be honest and work out a payment plan with Nysus. Frankly you just look like another common thief right now.

hey everyone look at my sig too!!!!!!!!!!!!

There wasn't even an agreement for revenue sharing.

pr0 said: "Nysus claimed this network was being setup for a long term goal, & we would work out details between him & the worker, on a profit sharing deal. Since the few k he was paying wasn't worth setting up that many unique sites."

pr0 said: "He also then disclosed that he would no longer be interested in a profit sharing model with my worker."

- That just doesn't even make sense. I never said that. I never agreed to profit sharing or that it would be worked out. It was discussed as a possibility, yes - because it was an option that if the sites started to make enough revenue to fund my other projects then I wouldn't need / want to sell, so I'd be happy to profit share with someone who could continue to run / manage things (who would of then proven they could work the sites well).

pr0 is twisting this to make it look like I went back on my word. Only person who went back on their word, their written signed word, is pr0 / William / Untouched Markets. He's just using half-truths. The full amount wasn't just for "a few k" that he mentioned either. He seems to be saying this to lessen his responsibility / the impact - but he still owes me my money back. Once again forced to say this to counter his bullshit to break down his argument.

Anyway, him posting the monetary amount that I privately told HIS EMPLOYEE (who was working on my sites) doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to him since he posted it on a large high traffic message board. But that's the "breach of contract" point he's trying to state as a very lame / poor excuse to not pay me back.

He also threatened (before I asked for a refund again) that if I said anything more to him, that he'd not do the work and not refund me, based on that "breach of contract" point, to try to scare me into not asking to receive what I paid for --- which he's now told 10,000+ people who have viewed the threads.


Pr0 - I don't think you comprehend what you're doing.

Might be a good idea to read everything I say, and pretend to be an observer, and say you believed my version of things - what do you think you'd think of this pr0 guy? Does it make you feel good inside? If it makes you angry it's because you're not letting yourself process things. Don't blame others. You're responsible even if it was your employee's fault. I'm not going to go down to your level and do name-calling. I'm a lot better than that - I try a lot harder to treat everyone with respect, even when they wrong me.

Violating an NDA does not mean you get to keep money. It means you have grounds to sue someone but that's it.

It's just a bullshit excuse used by a scammer who appears to have spent the money.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/920894-pr0s-summer-stats-post-dating-porn-fuck-recession.html

Makes you wonder..:food-smil10

I was hoping I'd have an email from pr0 this morning with:

- "I'm sorry saying all those lies to you, and defaming you"
- "I'll refund / wire back to you the $2,000 immediately for not doing your work. "
- "I'll talk to the guy that paid me $5,000 a year ago and didn't do any of his work yet, and work out a deal with him"

Still doesn't make sense. Even if you think the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is big, if the person holding it (in your eyes) is breaking the contract after day 8 what makes you think he would honor it months or even years from now when that profit sharing would kick in.

jesusssssssssssssssss

Popcorn :D

None of it makes sense to me. You didn't do the work, refund the money. Should be pretty simple to figure out.

A Good Lawyer will cost 3000

It's a pretty straight-forward case.

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This is so trippy gif. :stoned

it is a trippy gif

Whats happening with that guy that pr0 fucked over for 5k?

pr0 hasn't contacted them at all, last I heard from them.

I am not sure I follow can you make 5 more posts about this? thanks

More drama on the way.