no I'll stick with the camgirl business, I'm no quitter!

Look you made post number 101

Labor omnia vincit :winkwink:

yes boss

Great domain.....

Here are the domain auction results if anyones interested Las Vegas Domain Auction

dont get me wrong I really like your domain, but what has been proven on this board the last couple of months is that you need more then just a great domain name to make a lot of money.

Your domain is perfect for a company already in place that has a successful affiliate program with money to promote...and I have no doubt you will make good money on the sale.

I agree... look at PimpRoll they have been buying up amazing domains (Porn.com, LiveCams.com, MatureWomen.com, TeenGirls.com, Tranny.com etc.) which have not only diversified their business, but also given them some solid brands for the future. They have the organization to monetize their potential, but also the size where they can do it at their own speed. This is the adaptability which will ensure PimpRoll will outlive many other programs as the industry evolves.

Another great example was Streamray, and when they bought Cams.com, which helped them take their existing cam business to the next level.

Its like everything else in life - its the sum of things from which new things emerge.

I bought a house for $240k sold 3 years later for $460k... then moved and bought another house for $220k sold a year later for $300k. Real estate was good to me.

I think domain values are depreciating?? (I mean if you buy it from an auction NOW? not when you got it in 1995 for 15 bucks.) Plus personally I wouldnt know what to do with it. I can make traffic with shit domains.


Sabby:)

I think streamray just kicks ass cause its an awesome site!!!


Sabby:) (aka PrettyMilfy)

Wow that is good profits and timing...we are looking at the co-op again tomorrow, if the wife says she wants it...I will offer 190-210k, the real estate agent is an old time handball player from my park. For 15 years I seen him around but never new he owned one of the top real estate agencies in the area. Hopefully he can make a deal happen.

Most people are telling me it is the wrong time to spend money and wait until things get better. Just like the stock market when everyone thinks the worst and selling....all the smart investors are buying. So I want to buy if I can get a great deal. It is a jump for me since I only pay around $575 rent at the moment...I had a real hookup for the last 17 years.

As far as domains...I am rotating them, letting the weaker ones expire if I cannot sell them. I am also buying domains I like, also some great names are dropping everyday. I just picked up JapaneseUncensored .com :thumbsup I am trying to reduce the quantity also....renewals on a thousand names....oouch.

good luck

Yes, the cam sex domains are making sales every day at around $0.23/unique (gross - meaning before affiliate payouts, model costs, processing etc.) on what alot of people are calling "the hardest whitelable to convert". It would be even better if Streamray didn´t black list so many countries around the world from buying. Cam sex is an international understood term/verb/noun, so the domains get typins from 120+ countries around the world, where many of them are black listed by Streamray, so if we don´t count all of the traffic from countries Streamray have black listed, then the cam sex domains are making closer to $0.40+/unique gross, which I think is acceptable :) ... before anyone ask, then most of the traffic to the domains is typin traffic (75%).

Btw - looking good :thumbsup

The good adult .com´s are not falling in price - there was a high around 3 years ago, but over the last years domains have already dropped (IMHO - the cam sex domains are worth much more than what we are asking, but this is adult, so not many are thinking longer than 1-2 years, which devalues the realistic asking price - funny how the sky is always falling in adult, yet here we are :winkwink:).

Also not all domains are created equal - ex. Cam Sex is an acutal verb and noun, its already in the cam language/slang itself and its spreading as more and more people get cams connected to their PCs and smart phones with build in cams, so even if there was no CamSex.com/CamSex.mobi etc., then people would still be asking for and having cam sex with each other. Thats the real power of the cam sex domains many are overlooking - that people around the world are active promoting Cam Sex - even without having any idea that there is a CamSex.com/CamSex.mobi/CamSex.biz/CamSex.name out there.

With cam clients such as Skype, MSN etc. then every day new people are discovering cam sex, and when the smart phones get decent front cams another rush will set in (thats why we got CamSex.mobi).

If the 80s and 90s had phone sex, then the 00s and 10s have cam sex. Plus the cam networks are discovering that they are sitting on a gold mine, when it comes to future content production - thousands of models in a decentralized grid with their own equipment (yes, most of it looks like shit, but that just adds to the amateurish or GF experience many people are looking for online). Paysite programs not diversified into the cam business will be missing the boat - thats why the big programs are buying up good domains for their cam sites (bang bros = naked.com, pimproll = livecams.com etc.).

Now CamSex.com is for sale - and someone will seize the opportunity, someone who know that the sky is only falling on those that run for cover, while the sky is only the limit for those that continue to evolve their business :thumbsup

:eyecrazy

The Extended Auction for CamSex.com/CamSex.mobi/CamSex.biz/CamSex.name is live:

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetai...86&lid=7111906

Contrary to the live auction, then its possible to bid below the reserve price in the extended auction, so there is no discrimination on 4, 5 or 6 figure offers :thumbsup

If there are any questions about the Cam Sex domains or if financing is needed, then let me know :thumbsup

Smacks of desperation.

Great domain, but seriously, 1/4 mill for it in this day and age, good luck.

Huh? Domains not sold at the live auction are automatically enrolled in the extended auction... its normal procedure, and now everyone have a place to bid :)

Also without knowing the numbers, then how can you tell if the reserve is too high? You think PimpRoll (livecams.com $500K) was a desperate buyer or calculated business people?

Ex. live cams vs. cam sex

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22li...ate=all&sort=0

Remember price and value are too different things. Something might be much more valuable to you, than it is to me, and vice versa :2 cents: :)

I think any individual or company that has the means to buy camsex.com and has followed the camgirls.com saga is going to realize that the main reason for its failure so far has more to do with its owner than the domain. Most thought that paying 350k for camgirls.com was way too high. If you factor that sale in along with 500k for livecams.com, then certainly 250k reserve for camsex.com is justifiable. I've always gone by the saying that a domain is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, so we'll certainly find out what camsex.com is worth.

So what is your net $/unique? I'm not a big fan of Streamray, having done numerous tests with different cam programs over the last 10 years, they've always ranked near the bottom in terms of $/unique. Why not try AWE's white label, you won't have any blacked out countries and their 10 different payment methods ensures that all of your traffic will be convertible. I don't usually suggest AWE, but they seem appropriate for your traffic and I'd bet your net $/unique would double within a month.

Have thought about doing some A/B traffic split tests, but not gotten around to do it... however since people in general are very focused on current money earned, then I might take the time to squeeze more money from the traffic, just to prove that there is alot more gold in the hills - of course I (and potential buyers) run the "risk" that I might find a massive gold ore, and the price will go up :winkwink:

Streamray' s payout to affiliates is 20-35% depending on the amount of new members per day, which would mean net ~$0.05-$0.08 (the gross $0.23/unique is an average based on 1 years stats, so some periodes are better/worse than others - ex. in the last 4 days the gross income has been $0.48/unique - including the black listed country traffic). Truthful I´m not a fan of the streamray´s program nor am I a hater - have used it more as a parking page/service than a moneyspinner, while we were working on other projects.

Now we are selling CamSex.com/CamSex.mobi/CamSex.biz/CamSex.name, and being judged also on how the streamray program function kinda makes me wish we had "parked" the domains somewhere else. It was more or less random that it was Streamray and not some other whitelable. I wonder if we were making "double" on the current traffic by using a different whitelable, if people would go from being in shock about the price, to move on to a more rational discussion about the possiblities and future of the cam industry, because its the future of Cam Sex that is for sale - not its past. Our skills in monetizing the domains doesn´t effect a future buyer, instead its his/her/their own skills that is going to monetizing the domains.

this is NYC not bum fuck Idaho :pimp

"Of course" I agree - the reserve was really not set to piss people off, just like the price tag on a fighter jet is not to piss of other people with airplanes. Its was simply a way to put a $ value on the features, which make CamSex.com/CamSex.mobi a better choice than some random gibberish on a small island tld (btw. there are more than 40+ tlds, where Cam Sex is registred, Cam Sex is a true international term/slang). I hope those that buy the domains also have set aside money to make their plan/idea possible - a domain is only part of the equation!

Its not really my place to say who the buyer should be, but I can take a guess that it most likely will be someone that already have a plan to either move their cam business to the next level (like streamray did with cams.com), and need a international category killer domain .com/.mobi/.biz name to accomplish this, or someone who want to diversify into the cam business with a firm position for the future (like pimproll did with livecams.com). Of course there might also be other motives for buying CamSex.com/CamSex.mobi/CamSex.biz/CamSex.name - like I said its really not in my place to say who the buyer should be... we still have capitalism :)

I wasn't trying to correlate how you are currently monetizing the domain with the sale of it, both are independent as far as I'm concerned. I was just surprised you had the domain with Streamray as I hardly ever see any of the premium cam domains using them. Just for reference, stop quoting any cam stats as "gross", compare apples to apples along with everyone else and state $/unique that show up in your stats. If you don't sell the domain, think about going with a Streamate cobrand like livecams.com is doing. They are very picky on who they let have one, but I think with your domain you'd get approved.

Imho, Gross numbers are relevant for cam networks since these are the numbers they are working with (they can pocket both their normal cut + the affiliate cut by owning the domain), and large affiliates, because they are able to make even better payout deals.

Thanks about the Streamate suggestion - we did set a stop date, before putting cam sex up for sale, if we cross that date, then the domains will be off the market, and most likely developed inhouse. Companies/People wating for fire sale prices will wait in vain :)

What is your experience as an affiliate sending traffic to a streamate whitelable?

how many hits a day?


Sabby:)

btw I will blacklist idiots... even if you are American...


Sabby:0

I have even blacklisted Americans with DOLLARS...

I deserve respect... or you can fuck off.


Sabby:)

Amount of traffic is not breathtaking amazing, since the domains have never really had any heavy promotion, or ranked high in the SEs for its own term(s). So traffic that has accumulated over the years have been from the typins coming to the domains, which kinda makes it hard to build big numbers (and if people are right about Streamray being bad, then it has probably not been bookmark worthy for many), instead its has a steady number with good conversions :)

Interested buyers should contact me to see the detailed traffic stats (countries, source etc.) :)

I think cam networks should hire you as a bouncer/doorman, and stick you on top of their pages :winkwink:

Btw. I´m kinda curious - has the financial crisis decreased people looking for financial domination?

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