I am so envious of that system


spaz

those of us with an education and watching this race see that Brown has campaigned on a promised no vote on the obama health scare bill.

the rest of the population finds that to be "twisted logic"

lol. here in America, having the few pay for the many and then mortgaging our children's future to gain government control of our lives is liberal. lol

Being that we already have social healthcare, and that every kid under 18 that has a parent with a crap job can get free medical, or that I can go into a hospital, don't have to give my ssn, and then all Ameircans have to foot an extreme bill, or every old person in the Country...

You know... you would have to be a complete, anti-american, bastard.... to not want gov provided healthcare to pass.

For the love of god, we already have it, we pay 100x more than we should because you morons won't accept the fact that we already have social healthcare.

And this... is step 1. It's not like ANY countries healthcare plan stayed on exact tract from what was produced.

But only in American can you get a bunch of Americans that hate each other so much that they would rather see people die, go broke, or whatever simply to "think" they are saving tax dollars.

Fucking idiots...

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spaz

Well, it looks like you've just proven that you have no idea how the government works. Run along now, let the adults type.

Ignorance at its finest. I especially love "You have to be a complete anti-american bastard.." THAT is priceless. You'd have to be an anti American bastard to expand government control, especially over delicate issues such as health care.

oh how the deluded prattle on.
Here's an idea.
#1 give businesses a 100% write off for the medical coverage they offer their employees. This will cause all employers to cover all of their employees.
#2 fix the fucking economy you stupid liberal cunt. You don't fix the economy by over taxing those of us who create jobs.
#3 refuse treatment in emergency rooms for all those people who do not have an emergency.
#4 create a new "indigent class" for people and families living below the poverty line who are eligible for medicare. make them meet certain requirements to remain eligible. This would be a very small group of unemployed people because of the dynamic created in #1.
#5 pass legislation disallowing insurers to turn down people because of pre-existing conditions.
#6 create a poll tax that every working american pays into to cover true emergencies for people who have no coverage.

This is just the plan I came up with off the top of my head. If I had time to think about it, I'd come up with an even better one. However, the off the top of my head plan would be far far better than what is currently being foisted upon us and would NOT sink our country into the kind of unrecoverable debt that your lord and savior is about to throw us into.

LOL, I love the way you call people names to get out of debating anything with logic.
Comparing to other countries, they don't have our problems
Yea we cover kids and ER visits, we even cover Haiti
Most Americans don't want the government running heathcare till they can come up with a better plan and if you can't wait for that, then the idioticy is in your mirror

You're typing to a brick wall here lol.

And while I don't agree with GatorB and accuse him of ignorance, this isn't a debate about liberal vs. conservative. The health care bill should provide more help for more people while maintaining the stability of the country. As a fiscal conservative, I see no way we could have health care reform without plunging this country into further debt and inevitable collapse, and therefore I am against it. If Obama really wanted to change health care, he wouldn't have went on a deficit spending spree never before seen in the history of the world. That's what you get from a guy who doesn't know what he wants.

I talked to my doctor about it yesterday, he believes that if the government really wanted to effect meaningful change to the current problems, they would limit liability, thats the biggest problem they have, with all the tests they have to run to keep from getting sued later. Law Suits have really screwed things up with insurance and thats where they can save the most money, having the government control it is not the answer

Delicate? Just do it, it's only delicate because you're a brain is wired backwards making it think the gov is going to take control over you...

Overall not some bad ideas... surprised to see you say a poll tax.

And btw, the Eco is doing perfectly fine, it can't always be at a peak. And your insurance idea for the poor won't work, because the issues we have with the eco, wrap around the people not being able to get jobs.

One way or another we're going to get Universal Healthcare.... and having it now so we can fight and work on it, is better than having it later when, it's far to late.

How about a friendly wager? $100?

Nothing to debate...

Other countries DO have our problems...and different ones. We are not unique because we are American, we can do it exactly like other Countries, and those other countries even cover Haiti as well.

I think you have it backwards with most Americans... it's without question, the extreme majority of Americans want something different than what we currently have, they want Gov ran health care.. just "many" people do not want it in this version.

I'm a brain is wired backwards? What are you, super mario? I don't think we should question your incompetence any longer.

And no, we will never have universal healthcare in this country, but keep dreaming.

Actually no, other countries have different problems, many people I know who have universal healthcare hate it, and every poll I've ever seen shows that Americans want health care reform, but they DONT want universal healthcare. As usual, you can't differentiate between fact and your delusional world.

This is true.

The right's answers are always pro-business under some fantasy theory of "trickle down". Thanks for the offer of a trickle. Again. (please learn some new ideas ty)

Except he fails to address that this is medical malpractice insurance he is referring to. Not individual health care insurance.

Ah.. two posts is over my limit.

No, I understand that lol.

Ok then. So you should also realise that it's not a federal issue. An OBGYN for example in florida is required to buy something like $100,000 a year malpractice insurance. In montana it's like 20k.
Did you also research it and learn like I did that the average malpractice suit settle by a court awards $200,000? And the average out of court settlement is about 40,000?

And do you similarly conclude that it's a fucking red herring issue that republicant's shove down your throat every chance that they get to argue? They want you to think that juries all over the country are responsible for awarding billions and trillions and quadrillions of dollars in awards.. FOR MAIMING YOU, but it's actually only a couple hundred thousand? Whats your left testicle worth when they mistakenly remove it when it was your right that had the cancer? Whats your spleen worth when they ruin it by accident?

Christ. The arguments sometimes are so ridiculous on the face, and just get more ridiculous when you actually give enough of a shit to look into it and not just be some tard on some board. No offense intended, but on the other hand if the shoe fits.

Well yeah, different states in American have different problems too, but in general they mainly have the same issues. Same with Countries... and what other Countries have you lived in to know? Maybe I know from personal experience?

Yes, people YOU know... but the majority when asked "non-twisted-worded" polls, show an extreme amount want health care provided by the Gov or the State, and not by Corporations. They want reform too... but bigger than that, they want it different than it is now.

Maybe that's a way you will understand...

Oh we will have it..that's a guarantee. As more of the anti-American right dies off, the real Americans that care for each other will be "left", and we will get it passed...

If you stopped waiting for your trickle you wouldn't have such a poor perception of it.
Waiting for the government to take from the successful and hand it over to you is no way to go thru life.

Once again, you have never provided proof for anything you've posted so I take your post as seriously as I take the L.A. Clippers.

Dont you know that some private insurance companies have a nearly 50% rate of denied claims? And saying that things like women who joined and didnt know they were pregnant had the pre-existing condition (of being pregnant) and therefore claims are denied years later for routine things? I think it was california aetna, not sure.

And you're afraid of the GOVERNMENT because they want a universal way to PAY for things?

Jesus Christ! Whatcha waiting for, 100% denial of all claims because humans are inherently imperfect? It's a god damned star trek episode.

Gotta love the stupidity of your posts. I don't have enough room to add this one into the "priceless" category. It's too bad that nothing you say has any value, substance, or proof to it. Continue the humor:)

Oh btw, the majority of America is center/center-right. You lose.

There are some more countries with a good/free health care System :)

What's going wrong in the US ?

The read the posts from the righties it says it all. lol

What about proof, from the lies you posted?

Lies... total bullshit lies.

More even total bullshit lies....

You're worse than fox news...

Umm... most are center, not anything right or left, dead in the middle... as soon as you lean one way, you become a minority. And "YOU" and your way of thinking, isn't center anything - it's EXTREME right - and that is a dieing way of thinking - thank god.

Translation: I'm full of shit but I'm going to do my usual routine involving irrelevant misdirection, and just accuse the other person of what he's accusing me because I'm a tool.

Gotcha, The Doc, easy as usual.

Dying*, and according to you, who has the least amount of credibility on this forum. In fact, I've never seen anyone take you seriously, which doesn't surprise me. Continue posting nonsense.

I don't really care either way, honestly. I don't think Scott Brown will win but I don't see any reason to put money behind Coakley either.

The funny thing about this thread is that Mass has a universal health care program that Scott Brown voted for. The hypocrisy of all of this shows the sorry mess that we have all become.

No... instead you should make your money by buying cross sales and act like a douche on an adult webmaster board. :2 cents:

yeah, hypocrisy.
the voters know how shitty and costly their system is and having tried it, are now voting against the party trying to jam it down the countries throats.

a very telling sign to those with the ability to reason.

Gee, you lie and you spew more shit too... it's like you're republican.

Hahaha, says the man that isn't in our Industry..... credibility, ha!

At least I have a reason to post.. but you, hahaha... talk about signs of being a nobody.

infinitely better than being a southern rube with no self awareness.
I'm sure in your trailer park they call you the smart one but uh, this ain't you're trailer park, son.

And I rest my case.

You are correct...Mass has a health care program...and some have said that it is better than either of the Congressional bills and that if Congress passes a single bill it will hurt those in Mass. I don't know if that is true or not but if so it could be a reason for the Republican to win the Senate seat. It at the least is an interesting election to follow.

Your reasons to post involve humoring the other people in this industry and generally making them feel better about their IQ and about not being you. Your other reason includes being the forum clown to be made fun of, as you've shown no intelligence whatsoever.

qft.....

yeah... because Charlotte is one big trailer park with no real industry and everyone that lives here are "rubes"... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I actually live in Huntersville... which is considered the ghetto from the clouds where you live. :2 cents: If only I could live next to a douche in the clouds... my life would be complete.

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everyone has their opinions and personal attacks on someone's opinion is a waste of time. My own personal belief and how I vote and who I support on this topic is based pretty much on my opinion that a nation's health should not be a 'for profit' model.

By basing it on a profit margin you guarantee a lower standard for health and or an increasing cost/benefit gap. For those that can afford health care and are healthy the system works wonderful and they see no reason to fuck with it.

But those that cannot afford health insurance or see their costs sky rocket because of poor health know that the system is broken and completely dysfunctional.

I have health insurance, and I am very lucky to have it because I went over a decade without it, and even with it I cannot afford the surgery I need. The co-pay and 80/20 would kill me financially. So from my point of view, needing surgery on both eyes, the current health care system is FUBAR

That is my reality and the sad thing is there are millions of people way worse off then I am


spaz

You never made a case.. you made up lies that you got called out on and now you can't think of a credible way to defend yourself...

That's called getting pimp slapped by the master!


Ahhh.. the guy that is a nobody... still trying to pretend to be something among the kings.

each to his abilities.:1orglaugh

Ah and the forum tool just repeats what is said to him hoping people don't call him out. Don't you get tired of getting owned? I can retrace everything you said right after I said it to you. Here's a prediction. After realizing you've been owned yet again, you're going to claim that you're "baiting" me:)




And the forum clown continues to amuse us.

Yep, people always call me out, it's like a daily thing.. blah blah blah, man your shit is getting lame.


You straight up lied and got busted... it's that simple, you're a liar.

You can try to back peddle, twist it, say some how you got me.. it's so damn lame by this point.