Good luck dude

if it can be parted i would be interested in the non-paysite sites.

i'm not saying he needs to be "humble"... more of "don't be a dick"

Wow...this thread basically says it all. It is the difference between the business people in the industry and the rest.

Yigal is straight up. He's smart, and doesn't frequent boards like GFY because he doesn't have any patience for the kind of thing this board has become. He posted up business, and then was questioned by folks who have no business questioning him because they aren't serious and/or aren't actual buyers.

Not everybody enjoys this place. but it is a good spot to get the news out. Especially when you are doing something like selling Joggs.Com. I don't blame him one bit for his response. He has no reason to entertain your questions or anyone elses quite frankly.

People who know what he's selling and have the extra money to buy it will contact him. Those who don't will make statements on GFY about how much it is "worth".

Not attacking you, I'm just telling you the way it is. Bump for Joggs.

You have nothing that I would be interested in owning. Good call on getting out!

There you go. Now you know. The biggest player on gfy has spoken and apparently your sites are shit on toast. You need some great sites that spit money out your asshole if you want to get anything for them.

Good luck on the sale. I am sure they are worth what you are asking. But hey, I gotta get back to my Photomart gig and dream.

Robbie you're always so in the know about everything - you tell us all what networks/programs have sold for 3 years earnings or close to it? If 3 years earnings were even remotely possible there would be a STAMPEDE of people trampling over each other to get to the exit door.

When hahaha was on his buying spree a few years ago buying up programs left and right, in a better business climate, super 'aggresive' x-sales, pre-economic crisis he wasn't paying anywhere near 3 years earnings.

Somebody who pays him 3 years or close to it might be making a good investment but it just doesn't happen in this industry. Maybe he'll luck out and find the one person who just has to have his traffic and has that kind of money liquid.

oi... I wasn't questioning him, his sites, his bro-status or what he was asking for. ALL I was saying was the usual "for sale" threads I've seen end up in the 6mo max range and got my face bit off about it. He could have just as easily replied with why I'm wrong and it would have been the end of it but he chose to fire off a smart ass remark like a true dick instead.

I really don't give to shits about his sites or the sale I was just voicing my opinion. His rude reply was in no way warranted or necessary. I wasn't trolling or busting balls. It was an honest and innocent statement. Maybe I should have just flamed him at least that way it would have been fun...

Then don't worry about it. Simple enough. You aren't gonna buy it and it's not your field of expertise anyway

And it's my job to be "in the know" My question would be: Aren't you "in the know" about things that concern you?

Of course you are, if you're good at what you do. :)

And when it comes to traffic sites, ability to make sales as an affiliate...I KNOW what Yigal does. We've made a little money together.

And a few years back Porn Access had a give-a-way contest for a T-Rex. I never lost any sales contest I set my sites on. Won all kinds of shit over the years. I decided I wanted that T-Rex.

I KILLED it on sales. Only to find out in the end I came in second place. Joggs.Com beat me.

He earned my respect right there. And when we finally met in Amsterdam a few years later he cemented my respect.

I like meeting people who are smart and kick ass. And when I do, I acknowledge it.

GFY, where nobodies can rush home from the day job and pretend to be relevant.
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Best of luck

Ya know Ron, you took the words right out of my mouth.

best of luck with the sale! i'm sure in no time you'll be selling them for your asked price. sad to see you leaving the biz and hope you make it big in your next project!

I am impressed by people that can start and grow a business to the point it is worth selling for a profit. How many motherfuckers around here can actually do that. I hope he does well.

lol :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Your better off hiring someone to work the sites for you. You aren't going to get a buyer to pay you that much.

Yigal. I wish you the best of luck. I've always enjoyed our conversations and doing business with you. You will be missed in the industry.

If I could give you a few pointers that may help your sale.

1. lose the attitude. Yes the majority of GFY is retarded. We all know that. The problem is not everyone knows who you are (just like not everyone knows who I am). If someone is referred to this thread and reads your replies they won't even bother contacting you. Simply because you aren't coming off as the guy that you are. Try to lose that. Just answer the questions calming and without emotional attachment. You want to sell the sites so put your salesman hat on and take all the bs thrown your way and ignore it.

2. I wish you the absolute best of luck and I really hope you get your asking price. Just from a buyers stand point I want to let you know 3 years income is insane right now. If you get it you are the luckiest guy alive. Why? Because you are selling sites that are in two markets that are at the end of their life cycle. There is very little upside to the sites. Your price point puts you in position to deal with only serious people and most will know that. If you really want to sell and leave the industry I highly recommend you be flexible with your asking price. If you hold out you may regret it.

Good luck! :thumbsup

I agree 100%. I've said this before. The ideal time to sell a paysite network was Summer of 2008. The ideal time to sell a TGP network was 2007ish. That is when you could have asked top dollar for each. Top dollar imo being 3 years. Since then TGPs have taken a hit like no other. Any tgp that is still doing well is doing well because it is well managed. It will no doubt have a rough 2010 and 2011. Paysites are facing a number of challenges in 2010 and 2011. Nobody in their right mind will pay 3 years for a TGP and Paysite business. The future for both is far to uncertain. Paying 3 years revenue on 2009 numbers will take 5+ years to recoup imo.

begs the question....

LOL Robbie sometimes I read your posts and think "Damn Robbie has a clue." Other times I read your posts and think "Damn Robbie is fuckin retarded!"

Guess which I'm thinking today? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I could care less what you're thinking. :) As I said, Yigal has my utmost respect. I know what Joggs.Com is capable of. It's more than worth what he is asking. But thanks for coming in here and trying to ruin his sale with your expertise. As I said earlier, people who know what he has and what it makes will contact him. Others, will pontificate on GFY.

You are funny because you mention him as one of the biggest affiliates of all time and mention I don't know how to run a tgp. While my tgp business is still earning and profiting more than his. You truly don't know wtf you are talking about.

There is nobody who will pay 3 years income for a TGP. NOBODY.

good luck meng,

do uahve any domains for sale?

Best of luck with the sale.

3 years income is fell above the market IMO, but a few great domains could make the differents

Shap.. the sites are worth more than what I'm asking for.. were leaving the adult marketing business for 2 main reasons.

1. We have 3 kids now.
2. I'm tired.

there is no Chance the sites will die off in 2010-2011 as you say.. the market is evolving and would be dominated by cell phones and other hand held devices, you just need to adjust.. I don't have to tell you this since I know your game for years and your adjusting all the time.

When I opened my site at 2002 the main talk on the board was that tgp's are dead.. and look it's 2010 and I'm still game.

As you know "only" joggs.com from all the sites / paysites / domains I'm selling is active since 2002 and at the high times was making more than $xxx,xxx a month alone.

In the right hands.. let me say that again... IN THE RIGHT HANDS, the network will make a large amount of money.

Yes the network is a bit neglected now days due to lack of time and other business.. but the potential is HUGE.. and don't forget it is making nice income right now, that 85% of this board only dream of.

Robbie you have comprehension skills - NOBODY in this thread doubted Yigal has a valuable network in his niche. You're acting like everybody was putting him and his properties down like he's a nobody or a bs artist - nobody did that. EVERYBODY however is in agreement that nobody is paying 3 years earnings for ANYTHING in adult. It's only his asking price that has come under attack.

Shap, I agree that it makes no sense to spend that much on a TGP. I would not place the value solely on his income or current business plan. If you have upper $xxx,xxx the site generates traffic in a very profitable niche. The site has earned front page listings for very profitable search terms. Take the business plan to the next level if you have the skills and sky's the limit.

Exactly. I'm sure he's contacted Brazzers and Bang. If he hasn't I'd hit them up. If they don't bite then he has to change his gameplan. IMO they are his only chance of getting close to his asking price.

I know exactly how you feel. I know you've built something really great. I really hope you get what you are asking for. Contact Brazzers and Bang and RK. They are your best chance to get close to your asking.

I agree 100%. However front page listings for search terms can change right? Would someone risk $750,000 on a search engine placement?

Btw I've always been interested in your network. You've done great. The problem is it's not about what you've created as much as it's about an uncertain market. Companies are afraid to invest huge money in acquisitions. Why? Because of the uncertainty of where things are going. From tubes to credit cards to economy. There is so much uncertainty and that is why getting 3 years will be difficult.

Hey tube boy! There are adults in the room having a serious business discussion.

Now, why don't you go back to your room and play with your umm... tube sites.

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Let me ask you this Shap.. who much would you appraise a network that lets say makes $50k a month on 1 person work 3 times a week. for 8 years.

Give me you your numbers lets hear them.

Hehehe I'm thinking now that at least theres alot of people who will enter this niche and build 2 cent sites now after reading whats going here and pump some traffic again to this niche. :thumbsup

At least we covered that.

It all depends on the 24 month traffic, revenue, and profit trend. I would take that trend do worst case scenario and then value it out what it would be worth to me.

If traffic, revenue and profit have been 100% steady over the past 24 months. Without knowing anything else and knowing it does $50k a month in profit I'd say $500k to $750k range.

Are you willing to sell the mainstream domains separately?

Emailed you an inquiry from mike at naughtynames dot com.

There will always be some money to be made with TGP but it's going to be on the decline over the next few years. I agree w/ Shap having one of the larger companies that can afford to take the risk is your your best shot.

You know I am. :thumbsup