Originally Posted by PornstarXS (Post 16805767)

I'm 230lbs hard,

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16805848)

3 months will bring you 10 lbs of muscle? You better be doing some hardcore lifting and eating the proper nutrition with an optimum protein-carbs-fats ratio, otherwise that's wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16805902)

alot of people who dont body build dont understand there is no particular right or wrong way about gaining/weight loss, its cals in cals out. how u decide to do that or whatever variation is up to you. as for a different NO supp, try USP Labs Jack3d! or Controlled Labs White Flood

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 16805935)

Hey man...

Rapid weight loss + no exercise + testosterone supplements + 45 years old is a seriously dangerous combination for your heart... I really recommend you run this shit by your doctor, i don't want to see you drop here man...

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16805939)

i have Golden finish (terrible name lol) but it just repeats on me all day i always burp the taste of it. Core ABC is also a nice alternative to purple wraath. And i feel you on the white flood! superpump give me the superdumps

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16805959)

glad u got it prescribed instead of self medicating! As for a difference, i really dont notice any difference between the 2, im pretty much constantly bulking and eating 3000 cals from solid food and the rest is shakes so getting my pre/postworkout nutrition from those either of those sources is good enough for me

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16805871)

again, i am more than uptodate on my weight training results over the years, i've mentioned more than once that i've looked to my journals i've kept over time showing my plans and results.

i've gained 3 pounds of muscle a month for 2-3 months more than once in my weight training programs.

i find that over the years i go 6 months on, 6 months off, usually due to schedules. summertime i am traveling and on vaca. so i like to look good and don't worry about working out and such consisitently. then during the times of the year when i am home, i am more focused and consistent.

that's me, that's what i've done for many many years now.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16805846)

if you cannot maintain at least a modicum of adult level respect in this conversation then you should be respectful enough to not participate.

as you can tell from my posts, i've poured research into this.

my original question was in regards to dieting being able to shed the last 5 pounds of available fat or not. i cannot find any information about this and inquired.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16806010)

There's something called diminishing returns in the world of weight lifting. If you gained 3 lbs a month for 2-3 months, you'd have to work that much harder to gain another 3 lbs and so on.

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16806054)

this really only starts to happen with a person reaches their maximum amount of nitrogen retention and full muscular capacity, Ive had no trouble bulking from 135 - 182 in two years. Diet and nutrition 100% to the T, constantly bulking right now im at about 4200 cals a day and still gaining.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16805654)

reallY?

i was under the impression most athletes maintain a sub-10% bodyfat due to the lifestyle, and that anything closer to 4% is what is risky.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16806125)

I'm not going to get too much into it, but yes you can lose fat by diet alone. However, I STRONGLY recommend you do some cardio in combination with your diet routine. Not only will you lose more fat but you will be 10 times healthier, your endurance will go up thus allowing you to complete more repetitions while lifting and you can better tweak your diet to maintain more muscle. If you're starving yourself but not doing any cardio you're going to just look anorexic, who wants that look? I don't know about you, but I strive for a MUSCULAR and lean build.



Maintaining a sub 10% BF in most cases is very difficult. Especially with no cardio in your routine, good luck building new muscle and staying under 10% BF with diet alone.

I've been on a moderate diet, with cardio 3X week and weight lifting 3X a week. I'm 226lbs @ around 13%. I would look better if I was a bit leaner, but I'd rather not "yoyo" I feel I can comfortably stay at my size without a crash diet and most importantly my routine is healthy.

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16806054)

this really only starts to happen with a person reaches their maximum amount of nitrogen retention and full muscular capacity, Ive had no trouble bulking from 135 - 182 in two years. Diet and nutrition 100% to the T, constantly bulking right now im at about 4200 cals a day and still gaining.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16806167)

as has been mentioned several times in this thread. the question was in regards to extending the diet another 2 weeks to lose the last 5 pounds of excess fat i have stored, i've shown the muscle loss calcs and also stated i planned on muscle loss going in to this phase.

i also stated what my goals are and the plan to achieve them. i've also mentioned my fat loss to be within the health and fitness industry healthy max of 3 pounds per week.

i am no more yo-yoing than a bodybuilder pre-contest, much less in fact.
my body weight and proportions were within all healthy limits prior to even starting this.

so i am really unsure of the point of this post.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16806327)

Your thread title is " losing fat with diet alone " I just read your first post and posted a quick reply. The point of my post is I think you should do cardio combined with a good diet and weight training routine. If you want to maintain a low BF you should make cardio a part of your lifestyle. Yeah you can lose whatever you want in the next two weeks, but then what? You think you're just going to gain 100% lean muscle after you cut?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16806359)

i do cardio, just not with this diet at this time. 3 months is not a permanent thing.

and yes, just like it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, i plan to gain muscle and not gain fat at the same time. my past experiences confirm the fact. will i gain muscle as fast as i have in the past over the same amount of time, doubtful, but i do know that i can gain muscle and not necc have to gain fat at the same time.

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16806385)

dyna you went on a ketogenic diet correct?

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16806375)

It's difficult, having your macros perfect to gain 100% muscle mass, that's like a full time job! You have to consume more calories than you're burning AND it has to be the perfect amount of carbs/protein/fats.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16805951)

i won't be going back on the test until month 2 of weight training. i monitor my blood pressure (consistently solid) and my doc gave me a thumbs up at thanksgiving. i've been simply eating low calorie balanced meals, tons of salad and homemade dressing, chicken breasts and egg whites. and the vitamin/anti-oxidant supplement.

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16806417)

then theres absolutely no reason for people to be busting balls, you seem to be pretty knowledgable im sure you knew what you were doing :) its just a different approach to what you want to accomplish and not a "norm" for bbing

Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16806426)

hey man, hit me up on icq or aim if u can