Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16812830)

I don't like Obama, that's true, my opinion, because it's different than yours, I'm less of a person in your eyes, that's being "narrow minded"

I believe that the democrats are a cluster-fuck and can't agree enough to pass one bill when they don't need to include the GOP and have the backing of the president

I don't believe the GOP has any good leadership and need that. But they are sticking together and working together, unlike the democrats. Sadly Palin is the front runner.

I believe that our government officials are not in touch with what needs to be done, last time anything was done was when we had a Democrat President and a GOP lead house and senate, circa 1994

I also believe that the last time we had a true leader was when Ronald Reagan was president

And lastly, the best thing for the GOP is to do nothing and just say "no" to everything till the next elections, but that's not the best thing for the people

A good leader would find out how to work with the GOP and the Democrats, Obama has not been able or doesn't want to do this and come the next elections will loose a lot of his power, this is evident with the Mass. election and the failing numbers of the democrats that are up for election. And now they are scrambling to keep their jobs more than doing their jobs!


You opinon seems to be different and your response is to question my intelligence and to pull my head out of my ass, are book burnings next?

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16811218)

can you let me know when you come to the conclusion that congress is so corrupt on both sides of the aisle that it doesnt matter what a democrat or republican president does..

congress spends all its time trying to logjam any decision that could help make things better while behind the scenes they are lining their pockets with backroom deals...

i wish people would wake up and see what is really going on and where the true problem lies.. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by DaHater (Post 16812853)

Sadly, we actually agree on many of the points you state above. Where we do not agree is in the way you sling your rhetoric. Two points coming to mind... Stating that "Obama wants to take away our guns" and "That Obama doesn't want us watching TV."

These are two blatant batches of bullshit. Speak the truth as you have in the above post, and you will get much further.

On your other points, which I have quoted, I am with you.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16812454)

Ok, if you believe that, why isn't he telling the GOP that? He's suppose to be a bi-partisan leader, remember?

Maybe he should have told the democratic leaders to attend the tea party convention?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16812942)

What is hard to understand about this? He was speaking to the democratic members of congress and thats who he told to turn off the tv. Dont you understand that?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16812591)

I guess that fact he was speaking with a camera in front of him eluded you?

I got that he's back pedaling because the news organizations aren't putting a sunny outlook on his agenda.

But you will argue for your champion, I don't have one

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16812958)

He had the camera on him and used it to vent his frustration over the news coverage that has hurt his agenda, if it were just for the democrats, it would have been behind closed doors like the deals he made to try and get the healthcare bill passed

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16812922)

"Obama wants to take away our guns"

Liberals don't believe in the second amendment, plain and simple, every time one takes office, new gun laws take effect, under the guise of it's going to lower gun related crime, yeah the criminals love gun control legislation. Now they are making it harder to get ammo, trying to limit ammo purchases to 50 bullets per month, I go thru 500 every time I go shooting, minimum! I raised my daughter in my house with assault weapons and rifles handed down from generations of my family, she was trained how to shoot them and it was never a problem, she got a marksmanship ribbon for the pistol in boot camp in the Navy.

"That Obama doesn't want us watching TV."

I have a hard time with the way Obama has treated Fox news, denying them access to a white house meeting for one, he doesn't like that they are not reporting his agenda in a good light. It's censorship, no other word for it. I believe that Obama was venting his frustration over the news reporting on him during the speech that he knew was being seen by everyone.
Being in this business, I have a hard time with any form of censorship and every time Obama brings it up, I get a chill. He's no the first president to have problems with the press, but he is the worse at handling it

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16812987)

Are you deliberately trying to confuse people? I figure yes to all such threads, but thats because I have more faith in peoples intelligence. Maybe it's my mistake, but I'm still choosing to believe that these threads are just tactics. Poor tactics, but still political tactics made to confuse dumb people.

You asked before why he didnt tell that to republicans. Maybe you missed the meeting he had last week with the republican congress? If you only watch Foxnews, then you missed it because Foxnews cut away from it as soon as Obama starting shoving their bullshit back into their faces on live tv. Foxnews said on sunday that they arent concerned with events, they are concerned with ratings. Instead of showing Obama OWNING the entire GOP on live tv, Foxnews cut away to crazy rabble rousing critics of Obama as usual. They are pussies.

So maybe thats why you missed it.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16812207)

Thats a good thing, but it aint happening, it should have happened a long time ago, maybe the president should be doing this?

This is a clear response to the bad press he's getting. When he tells the politicians to stop watching the news, what he really wants is for no one to pay attention to what he is doing. He has tried this before, to keep what he's doing a secret. He signed a petition to take Rush Limbaugh off the air, he tried to keep Fox news out of the loop at the whitehouse, even the other news agencies wouldn't allow that. If it where up to him, he would only allow liberal news people to report on what he was doing to put a bright sunny spin on the lack of leadership he has. He had full democratic control of the government and still couldn't get his agenda passed, this is bad leadership, really bad. And don't blame the GOP has no power, they havn't had any power for 3 years.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 16813013)

Show me the LAW that OBAMA is pushing through to limit OUR purchasing of ammo. Not a law from a senator, or a bill, or some other piece of shit proposal that isn't even close to the presidents desk.

You having a HARD time with what someone is saying or how you FEEL he is reacting has nothing to do with the cold hard facts of what is being said and done.

The media is just as much to blame for a lot of this shit, BOTH SIDES. They rally the masses and push for emotional responses. Why, because that gets people to tune in. From Howard, to Rush, to Beck they are all pushing the publics emotional button to get a reaction.

You have yet to point out any specific instance of OBAMA saying, "America, TURN OFF YOUR TVs" or signing any bills into law to take away guns or ammo. You are speculating.

Originally Posted by uno (Post 16812976)

You are either being intellectually dishonest, purposefully obtuse or grasping at straws with this one.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16812987)

Are you deliberately trying to confuse people? I figure yes to all such threads, but thats because I have more faith in peoples intelligence. Maybe it's my mistake, but I'm still choosing to believe that these threads are just tactics. Poor tactics, but still political tactics made to confuse dumb people.

You asked before why he didnt tell that to republicans. Maybe you missed the meeting he had last week with the republican congress? If you only watch Foxnews, then you missed it because Foxnews cut away from it as soon as Obama starting shoving their bullshit back into their faces on live tv. Foxnews said on sunday that they arent concerned with events, they are concerned with ratings. Instead of showing Obama OWNING the entire GOP on live tv, Foxnews cut away to crazy rabble rousing critics of Obama as usual. They are pussies.

So maybe thats why you missed it.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16813067)

i'm concerned.

about vendzilla, that is.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16813031)

The main problem with the democrats is that they are spineless. Maybe Obama's new direction will change that. Maybe not. If they don't grow a spine soon they are in trouble later this year.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16813054)

So you think he didn't know the camera was there? And you think the news organizations are not a problem for Obama's agenda?



Maybe you should have read that I watch HLN and MSNBC as well, yes I saw the GOP meeting. Sometimes C-Span when the president allows it
Him owning ther GOP is your opinion, I saw a president laying blame on someone else now that he has to deal with the GOP for the first time. Before the Mass election, he wouldn't have gone there. Thats bad leadership

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16813054)

So you think he didn't know the camera was there? And you think the news organizations are not a problem for Obama's agenda?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16813334)

Well, I like cspan mostly as well, because there's no bias at all happening until you flip back to any one of the other stations, any single one of them just goes ape to fling poop at each other.

The best thing Obama has said recently was that even *IF* any republicans today WANTED to change their minds even slightly, they will be seen as traitors by their own constituents! Thats a result of trying to paint obama like the anti-christ. They've left themselves no wiggle room at this point.

Thats just not a good place to be at.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 16811139)

*snip* Just turn off the TV -- MSNBC, blogs -- and just go talk to folks out there, instead of being in this echo chamber where the topic is constantly politics. ... It is much more difficult to get a conversation focused on how are we going to help people than a conversation about how is this going to help or hurt somebody politically. *snip*

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16813665)

Obama did far more damage in the past year than Bush did in 8.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16813826)

Umm... wtf are you talking about?

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16813834)

Just what I said? Are you braindead?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16813840)

well, certainly you would agree that damage must be measured. while i agree obama is an idiot, along with all the other idiots inside the beltway, re: the massive debt he's created, it's not an impossible hole for us to dig ourselves out of.


we've done before.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16813848)

When have we done it before on this scale exactly? No, not the Great Depression. And I applaud your optimism but this is just what most Americans think, and it's really blind optimism. Simply stating we can get out of a hole because we have done so before, doesn't mean we're going to again, or that we're capable anymore. We've been spending poorly for 30 years and Obama has just WTFPwned the national debt and budget deficit. There's no way to get out of the hole unless we start slowly reducing our debts. We can't slowly reduce our debts unless we either:

A. Devalue the dollar and bankrupt this country just to reduce our trade deficit
B. Get rid of unions and start up manufacturing on a post WWII level.

B would be the most logical choice but even that's far from possible at this point. I know it's pessimism but we did it to ourselves and we can't really undo this, so we will have to experience an economy collapse whether in our lifetime, or our children will experience it in theirs. It's not a question of if at this point, but when.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16813834)

Just what I said?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16813840)

the massive debt he's created

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16813848)

Obama has just WTFPwned the national debt and budget deficit.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16814111)

That is where you are wrong... he didn't create the debt. Bush did... you had better get your facts straight. Yes... he added $1T to the debt... all of the rest was from his predecessors.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16814123)

Bzzzz... wrong. He already had a $1.3 Trillion budget deficit when he took office and the debt was already nearly $10 Trillion... so exactly how does he suddenly have responsibility for creating it? He doesn't... you are just repeating bullshit you heard from some other idiot.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16814161)

relax. he's created 1.4 trillion in debt with the current budget, get current and stop trying to play internet gotcha guy.