I hope you can. It just doesn't make much sense.

Good luck.

on a serious note...i have been emailed by several people who are (or claim to be) players in this game, who say - I stole their idea, or whatever...fact is, it is not that original of an idea...plenty of people have probably had it...television has been ad supported for decades...even a lab rat could comprehend that...however, it takes a crew like Dan and I to throw their nuts on the table and take a risk and say, "I am going to do this"...so, if you are second or third in line to actually grow a pair...that's fine....just bow down and kiss the ring...we are innovators and we did this first.

anyone could have beat us to the punch, but they didn't

for all of the fags that were calling me "irrelevant" earlier in this thread, fuck that shit...it ain't like that

all eyes on me...that's all I can say.

Being a trailblazer is not easy.

While I wish Jay and Dan the best of luck on this ballsy project, I do have mixed emotions about it, because if it succeeds, it will pave the way for a new era in the business, and as a content producer, that is a damn scary new era. The thought of this model turning into the norm, frightens me.

So on one hand I wish you guys all the luck in the word and hope it kicks ass for you. On the other hand, and for my own selfish reasons, I hope it fails like a fuckin' dickhead. :-) lol

Rock on!

Nice work, guys! :)

Sounds good :) ICQ me 61661595

LOL this is hilarious

If all the content contains "Porno Dan" this tube does not stand a chance.

All the big tubes have 1000's of full scenes, Straight Down The Tubes has what? 100 videos?

Don't know what all the hype here is about, this is not a game changer.

The download button doesn't even work. Fix that. Also you should be running some banners to upsell the paysites the actual scene is from.

:pimp

Whoa man, this thing scares the shit out of me. I certainly don't wish you ill-will but if this succeeds, that means I'm pretty much out of business. You seem to have a healthy grasp of the fact that it may or may not succeed and you're just sticking your neck out there to see what happens so sounds like you have a good plan. I guess, good luck? I'm not really sure what to say about this. Just don't steal my shit, k? :-)

Hey Dan -- how did you ever get Al Sharpton to sign a model release for that crazy ad with him feeding some chick a sandwich !!! Thats nuts !!

Good luck !!!

Well said.. The industry has been in a scary place for sometime with sales crashing down and the next generation seeing porn as a free item they are entitled to..

DING DING DING.. we have a winner! Someone who gets it..

THANK YOU!

Good luck Jay and Dan!

Trying something new never hurts. You can always pull the content or replace vids later if you don't want it full scene anymore.

You guys are the first one doing this because it's a Dumb Stupid Idea.

Giving away exclusive full scenes is nothing new. All the other big tube sites do it now.

Having all your own content is boring and no variety.

The only reason you guys did this is because your business must be so bad you have nothing else to lose.

Of course this is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, so don't even bother replying to this post.

Unlike others. I know this will fail. But I do hope it fails miserably you arrogant fucks.

:321GFY

Cheers,
BV

Quoted for the truth

For all the haters/doubters - think about the amount of bottled water that is sold worldwide with one quarter of it sold in the US alone - and we have relatively cheap healthy tap water - beverage companies took an idea and stepped out on a limb - they now make billions of dollars a year from something that is widely available for free - its called marketing.

Years before the internet, the porn industry "gave away" (ok so it cost a quarter) porn clips in stores - knowing that those customers would buy 8mm reels of video - and they could get mailed all kinds of offers for anything from mags to toys as "upsells" and was extremely profitable

Going out on a limb here but I believe that anyone that can tap into a market so huge with a novel concept, will not only succeed - they will flourish while everyone sits and watches

Good luck to you Dan and Jay :thumbsup

So you're going to spend your own money shooting exclusive full length scenes in Los Angeles, then compete against established tubes who are already stealing full length scenes (and no content overhead), and will soon steal yours too.

I don't get it. God speed.

nevermind!

i was trying to help.

this is why your company is going down the drain.

this is why you have to resort to building tubes. which i could care less about.

you are a cocky trashy spoiled brat, when your company has fizzled away and you wonder why come back to this thread.

i basically saved you hours of changes but you took it as a personal attack because you think you always know best. if you know best then why have i seen you for the past 2 years bitching you are losing money? like i said let down your balls and learn something new or you will be long gone i was honestly trying to help you out.

sometimes take constructive criticism it doesnt mean you are doing anything wrong. every time i make a design i have multiple people review it and pick it apart. this helps my conversions.

All Eyez on Me is the fourth studio album by West Coast rapper 2Pac. It was released on February 13, 1996. This was the last album released during 2Pac's lifetime, as he died exactly 7 months later on September 13, 1996.

The reason why membership sales are down is because your producing SHIT CONTENT! Bottom line. I couldn't even work up a chubby watching any video on that tube site. Or any other tube site. So give it away for free. Why the fuck not. It's worth shit anyway and maybe you might get a few guys to buy ad spots, but how long will it last? This industry has always been about short term gains. That will never change.

jay, open fire on your adversaries!

Cha-CHING!

the domain doesnt stand a snowballs chance...if you are going to piss away content...and least do it on a brandable domain name

adapt or die

Don't knock him....He has a lot of successful ventures....
Jay's Trades
http://jaystrades.com

Just to name one....Im sure he can retire in his Hollywood mansion whenever he wants.

Anyway, good luck on this venture and take no advice.....blaze your own trail.

he knocked me for obviously trying to help so you need to get off his balls.

this isnt 2003 anymore.

all you old school people who think you still know need to GTFO.

some still do know most do not.
just because you were successful then doesnt mean you are now.

they should do us all a favor and retire to that mansion. it is embarrassing watching them cling onto hope like they are bigtime in 2010.

The idea is really good but poorly implemented.

Hire someone who knows how to encode videos properly and a server that streams better than your current one.

The revenue stream of only selling ad space will not work. To be exact, it will work, but you will make considerably less money than mixing stuff properly.

Other than that, it's ok.

1 quick question.... Doesn't all the big tubes already have full length "exclusive" scenes? The only differance is that they steal them and you don't?

There is no other tube site out there with exclusive content, let alone award winning and top selling physical media content.

The reason no one else has done this is because people are scared of change

Jay and I both realize that change is good and see this the next big platform for exlcusive content.

I think this is an extreme valid point, Dan is great at what he does but variety is key in porn. Surfers dont give a fuck if free porn is exclusive. Theres 1 million places to go for variety.

Start a NZB site and sell subscription to a a Usenet service, you will make more.

Some of that is opinion and some of it is simply not true.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are tube sites with exclusive content. Exclusive content from many many different producers. Which means much more variety for the user.

Furthermore, you are over amplifying the value of having exclusive content anyways (to some extent) To a surfer, it doesn't matter if a scene is on 20 other sites if he has never seen it before.

So after he visits your site once, he has seen all that you have to offer, which is the same thing over and over again.

You will never compete with the tubes that offer more variety. Granted these other sites are using DMCA to their advantage, and I give you kudos for not doing that and using your own. :thumbsup

BUT, that does not mean that SDTT is the next big thing and will work and be very profitable. :2 cents:

why not buy a decent domain? sounds like a joke/marketing stunt to get webmaster atention... is this for real?

other than that I'm pretty sure you can make money (I'm making money from tubes for a couple of years)

I think Metaman is right jay. Those changes he proposed are 100 percent true.

Also, I think we can do without the cockiness and arrogant attitude man. It really just makes you look bad, not everyone else. Your by far not the first to have these ideas. Props to you for releasing 100 percent exclusive first though. Stuff like this takes other people much more time.

(seriously)

I actually did follow what you said. The stuff you were pointing out are just tweaking items that I had planned to get to but haven't had time yet.

Like I said, I pushed this site out the door fairly quickly.

It still had a lot of evolution left.

Dave you are such a hater. I've heard so much shit talked about you lately, but I won't bring it up on a public board.

Jay is a stupid fuck. to much partying over the years. now he is tanking faster then the Titanic and cant admit it.

he makes his cash renting his property for shoots because his web game has fallen off the map.

want to bet he ends up using each and everyone of my points and then convincing himself it was him who thought of these? try to help but typical superman head response. and anyone with a brain knows what i mean by superman. sniff sniff i have a cold.

Read my last post directed your way, you fat, retard, AIDS infected fuck-tard.

I take it all back now.

no prob, im not a pussy i can dish it and take it. i dont take anything personally.

in all honesty i was trying to help you. not even saying you needed it. but i do this shit like clockwork all day long. also i honestly do not think you would have seen all these points, they are thought out not meant as a bash on you.

sometimes i spent a week on a project, hell even a month, send it to the people closest to me and have them rip it apart. it used to hurt but lately i learned to drop my balls because i realized im here to make money not art. it has helped me so much. i thank god i got rid of my pride because it was holding me back.

the general feel is very good but if you made these changes it would be PERFECT.

Completely agree.

MetaMan is dead on.

I agreed with him. Stop brown-nosing. Like I said, I had to get the site out fairly quickly because the design took forever and I wanted to be lauched by XBIZ.

Maybe Information Really Doesn't Want to Be Free

Is Facebook the future of micropayments?

Two excellent articles on this subject. This battle ( free vs paid ) will rage for years.

I applaud the effort Jay.

I think the verdict is still out, long term, regarding this issue but it's refreshing to see someone jumping out of the box.

You are apparently too high to post replies from reality.

I have never brown nosed anyone on any forum ever. I do not need anyone for anything (content, traffic, affiliates, etc.). I generate my own traffic, shoot my own content, broker my own deals. What I can't do myself, I build myself. I am like a bull in the China shop when it comes to the forums.

I can voice my opinion of dis/agreement to whomever, about whatever I like sport and will continue to do so.

That said, I do not give a flying fuck about your idea or it's ripple effects, nor 'all eyes on me' ego bullshit. None of what you do will effect my business one way or the other. It is your money to lite on fire or do what you want with. However, MetaMan, and Les, made valid points so I commented in that regard.

Many people in this thread, and over the years, have not agreed with you on various issues tenderfoot. A note for future reference,.. if you are going to hang your balls out there and be arrogant about it with a 'kick me' sign on them. You should know what to expect.

Carry on, and grab a kleenex.
:2 cents:

now now children, please behave

Even if you spent 100s of 1000s shooting... And never got a dollar from the content itself.. compare your 100s of 1000s to the tens of Ms mainstream spends for the same amount of traffic, if as much,

Just imagine

tubes schmoobs

Jay is TubePac!

sycophant.