Oh well, this industry continues to eat itself. Nothing new...I can guarentee that once a surfer sees he is shilling out nearly 100 bucks after a signup he won't be coming back but I guess you are in for the cash in, cash out quick method in this business.

Post your findings here. I want to see your math, standard deviations, binomial distributions and scatter plot diagrams that prove to a respectable confident interval that porn buyers are 'impulsive'.

I think what I just read translates into "I'm not making as much money as I used to so I'll find new, creative and borderline legal ways to make it instead and fuck anyone who doesn't like it while I burn down everything in my path."

I personally wouldn't give a mother fucking flying fuckall about what you do with your mother fucking piece of shit sites if it weren't for one mother fucking problem. The problem is that customers tend to lump us all into one group. If a customer gets fucked by Lowe's, do they think Home Depot will fuck them too? Nope. But when a surfer gets ass-raped by one porn site, they take it out on all others. So, IMHO, sites like teengfs cost ME money and that pisses ME off. And it should piss off every other legitimate adult webmaster who is trying to stay in this business for the long haul. I got a ton of swear words I wanna spew all over you right now but I'm no longer sure what the banning rules are so I'll hold em in for now. I'll just sit here and do some detailed statistical analysis on how much money I think you cost me today. And then I'll extrapolate that into how much I think your today's signups are going to cost me a next month.

i wish you'd be treated in exactly the same way every time you buy something

nice try. i can post the rest of that icq log, just ask. there's some other stuff which proves that thing

what's up with these stupid affiliate program names? fuckyoucash? i think this is the result of geeks who got kicked around their entire lives and want to sound cool.

i'd be more impressed if they were more direct and came up with something like wedontpaycash.com or weskimcash.com

blah, i promote ALOT of sponsors, including many here on this thread. your own business practices are your own. I am also a producer with my fetish sites and I have never done the cross sell bs since 2002.

I do think that honesty is the best policy. Let people decide what they will and will not pay for is just good business imho. Porn is no different than any other business. You treat it that way, I still think you can do well.

You fuck a surfer over, and they never forget. I try and only promote people that abide by the same rules as I. Because bad sites, mos def reflect on my index. And if I am hearing about it, I am certain that the sites themselves are also hearing about it. In the end, people have to just draw their own conclusions and take it from there.

fail.

if people "tend to lump" a porn site to all porn sites, then they would "tend to lump" all hardware stores with each other...


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not that i care, but FYC realexgirlfriends.com content is available on PIC sites

just wondering what makes you trying to look separate from FYC atm

Very true!


Fail!

FYC was highly respected in my books, but after Biggy's input on this thread.... hell ho!

and you think this because??? chain stores spend millions branding their name into your brain. there are so many disposible porn sites out there with tons of different names flying the same/similar content that the average surfer will never know who owns what...

That comment was so unintelligent that I wasn't even going to reply to it. Then I saw your sig which renders your comment embarrassing. You and Biggy just go ahead and keep posting here. Every time you do, it makes your program look worse and worse. Where's Ivo? If he ever gets Biggy's cock out of his ass, maybe he can make some dumb comments too.

Again, I wish I could stop caring about what you guys do. I wish that bullshit was just between you karma. But it affects me, my fellow webmasters, their wallets, their families and their future. Perhaps in a small way but it affects it nonetheless.

Porn is becoming more and more mainstream every day. This is good and bad. It means profits are going to become tighter, which sucks. But it also means that shady billing tactics are going to eventually be phased out, which is a good thing, IMHO. If you can't make money without shady billing, you're time here is limited.

People overestimate the regular surfer. You can have the nicest paysite in the world, the nicest customer support and the surfer won't care about it at all. Just take a look at mainstream, the biggest companies in the world threat people like dirt...it isn't the nice mom&pop shops that make the most money. Actually they mostly go out of business quick.

Just ask the Chinese. That business model has been working well for them for 100s of years. "Customer service" is a rare thing in Chine unless you are dealing with a top end, or luxury item / vendor. They were here long before the USA and Europe, and will be there long after the USA and Europe.

Not that this applies here, just agreeing about how humans don't need the nicest companies to spend their money with them.

I can appreciate your thoughts on this but I disagree. If you have a nice paysite with original content that people actually want to fap to, then you'll be successful.

I don't think the biggest companies in the world treat people like crap. People complain about banks and their fees but if I owned a bank I'd charge whatever the fuck I wanna charge. And if people didn't like it, they'd go to another bank/energy company/online music company/domain registrar/whatever. I'd either adjust if enough people left or just keep on charging what I need to to make a profit. Any company can charge anything they want for anything they want. The consumer then decides from which companies they will purchase.

FORCING people, or in the case of teengfs, deceptively encouraging people to sign up for something they don't want, is a serious blight on the adult industry. IMHO, it has a large negative affect on the ability of long-term adult webmasters to make money a year or two down the line. Shit, it's even a detriment on tomorrow. If I have a tgp and I send a surfer to teengfs and he signs up, you think he's coming back to my tgp tomorrow to look for more sites to join? Hell no. He's deleting that bookmark and moving on. That crap on teengfs is far worse then a cross sale below the submit. Far, far worse.

I like the video review site

I thought we speak mainly about cross-sales, as I don't think they really have such a negative impact as webmasters think.

About the forced trial...well, at least there is explained for how long it is, what site, what price, etc...so the surfer can cancel right away, if he wants to. What would suck would be a shitty members section afterwards. That after the surfer goes through all of this, he would get 10 videos and 10 video sets inside. Because I have seen such, too.

But just look at some mainstream join pages...the cross-sales are so hidden, that on some join pages even experienced webmasters don't see them first. There is nothing to check or un-check, not visible at least.

yes mainstream much much worse.

Above the Submit Button - Agreed.

But there's no alternative. You either have to accept the trial to enter the site or you have to close the browser and re-login. Even I, as an experienced webmaster, would have had to think of a solution to that for a couple seconds. I would have never ever thought of that on my own as a way to make money. My brain just doesn't work like that. I could not do that to someone with a clear conscience.

Show me two.

Thanks.
Had my suspicion why they are called Fuck You Cash, but now I know.

I see you don't know what a review site is really about. You don't have the mentality to run one.

For example the how i got ripped sites. The acai berry scam. There were $0 trials rebilling at $90-100 every 2 weeks on some sites...and the info was so well hidden, it looked almost illegal.

This sucks

Honestly when I watched the review, I thought the reviewer was an idiot for not just opening a new tab and going to the members area, or just going to the members area in that same tab. Instead he was so damn dumb that he decided he was "forced" to click the cross sale.

I see that shit all the time on mainstream stuff. You buy something and then the next big screen is an "offer"
Nothing else. No way to continue to see if your sale was complete.

Most people have seen that kind of thing a million times and know exactly what the deal is.
I know I did and it didn't have anything to do with being a webmaster. I just know it from surfing. And I don't surf as much as the average person...too busy working and posting on GFY lol